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Thread #1: Editorial: Stanford’s deafening silence
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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jun 10, 2016 at 5:52 pm
Re the “deafening silence,” I think it’s quite telling the Joe Biden, the US Congress, the Mayor of New York City and so many other public officials have shown leadership in holding events where they responded to the victim’s statement and in some cases held public readings of her letter.Those events were 3,000 miles away. Where was the local leadership?
Thread #2: Stanford task force recommends expulsion as ‘expected’ sanction for sexual assault
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Posted by Nonsense and innocence
a resident of Old Palo Alto
15 hours ago
While I agree that sexual assault is a matter for police, and universities should improve reporting.
But I disagree with the “innocent until proven extreme” conjecture.
Let’s put this in perspective- most organizations have rules they administrate for members. (Not judiciary!)
Example – business has a right to refuse service to unruly customers. The library can revoke my library card for not following their rules. I don’t have to be found guilty by a judge and jury of drinking a soda in the reference section. The librarian can handle that – I lose privileges when I break rules. No judge needed.
Students who cheat on exams lose the privilege of going to that school – they are expelled. There is an administrative process to determine cheating, with accusations, and appeal (usually to a disciplinary board)
I see no reason why sexual assault isn’t a rule on campus.
There could be an administrative process just like cheating. With review and with consequences (we aren’t talking jail – just the loss of privilege of attending that specific college).
You lost your library card – now you gotta get your books elsewhere. No judge needed.
So I see no problem with a reasonable administrative process.
Now we can discuss what that process looks like: is the accuser required to file a police report? Is there a disciplinary board? Do the have written guidelines? Is there appeal? Is there a range of punishments ( suspension 1term, 2 term…permanent)
All good things to discuss. All legal.
And it can be a parallel process to the judicial case.
Judge decides if you go to jail.
School decides if you can attend their school.
“Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.” Martin Luther King, Jr.
Checks and Balances?
Many noted the connection between the past and possible future correction/change. I have quoted quite a few of them during the past years. Here are few samples:
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” -George Orwell
And — “This is the way they work. If they do not talk about it, maybe people will think that the problem does not exist.”Ms. Gaona Mendoza (link #4)
Here is a partial list of quotes that were removed by the PA Online moderators.
- “The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water.” Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
- “The less there is to justify a traditional custom, the harder it is to get rid of it” – Mark Twain
- “All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.” George Bernard Shaw
- “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” George Orwell
- ”… The sinister fact about literary censorship in England is that it is largely voluntary. Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news — things which on their own merits would get the big headlines-being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact. So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralised, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics. But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it, just as in mid-Victorian times it was ‘not done’ to mention trousers in the presence of a lady. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. …”George Orwell
And a misquoted Shakespeare which was removed quite a few times….
“Methinks thou doth protest too much.”
Dear Mr. Dauber,
Dear Mr. Dauber,
Yes, me, again.
I have addressed you several times before trying to convince you remain an outsider and to act from the outside. This is also an attempt to find a way to create some Checks & Balances, thus my repeated suggestion to form a Shadow PAUSD Board.
I stand corrected about your running for the school board – I think that your winning last election was very important. Your winning proved that the public mindset may have shifted a bit. And, a personal proof point – while you were marginalized before, you were correct in your assertions. And not a word now about the dirty tricks used trying to stop you.
MLK’s urgency in his speech “Why We Can’t Wait” is relevant in so many ways. I think that some form of a Shadow PAUSD board makes so much sense now, especially given the broken trust and fear of retaliation. And, who knows? Maybe you’ll initiate momentum for creating some mechanism of Check & Balances over various local governments?
Please resign! You can be much more impactful working outside of the board! I believe that you may have gained some insights as to how things really work. Sadly, Aristophanes is as relevant today as he was many years back. We need your leadership, outside of the board.