This page is about the censoring/editing of the Palo Alto Online.  Way back I came to the conclusion that the censoring actually harms the chances of issues being exposed (not to mention other serious issues tightly connected/related to censoring).

I decided to post the occurrences of censoring that I’ve happened to note. Obviously, I do not see everything. Obviously, I cannot see everything.

At some point I decided to start  posting comments which I did not see before being edited (only the “after”). Obviously, missing a comment which has vanished does not enable me to post even the “after”, since I have missed the fact that the comment has been posted.

You are very welcome to email to me comments posted online, before being edited, or prior to being totally removed (vanished). Please include link and title of thread. Thanks!!!

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Thread Titled: Magical Bridge playground surges toward reality

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/17/magical-bridge-playground-surges-toward-reality

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Posted by Koi Pi, a resident of Old Palo Alto
28 minutes ago

I find it interesting that the Palo Alto Weekly chose to remove so many posts regarding the Ass’t City Manager leaving for San Jose and then close the blog to any further comment. Seems kind of childish. What are they afraid of? If the Weekly chooses to post city press releases why not let residents comment on them? All posts removed were intelligent and well worded, yet, Weekly editors chose to censor even the mildest criticisms. What a pity!

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Thread Titled: In-depth report: How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/06/14/out-of-the-shadows#comment_form

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on Apr 11, 2014 at 4:43 pm

On June 17th, 2013 I wrote, above: “…I must be missing something.”

On January 15th, 2014 I wrote, above: “…I am sorry. I did not understand.
My questions – How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying? What have changed?”

This article/thread was published on Friday, June 14th, 2013. It so happens that this date – June 14th, 2013 – was explicitly mentioned in the article published today, dealing with Palo Alto High school.

I am sorry-
I still am missing something.
And I still do not understand How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying? What have changed?

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
4 minutes ago

I’m sorry, I still do not understand.

1. How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying?
2. What have changed?

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Both comments gone. Both were removed, completely, on 4/16/2014 , less than half an hour after after I posted comment #2.

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Thread Titled: Student streaking: Alarm over mixed messages

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/student-streaking-alarm-over-mixed-messages

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Posted by Spectator at Large, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
6 minutes ago
Spectator at Large is a registered user.
Winston’s Comments About Student’s Breasts Are Totally Unacceptable!!!!

Having reviewed the article about streaking and comments by various posters I would like to state unequivocally that Winston’s viewing of breasts, as evidenced by his comments to other students, is an outrage. It is said that a principal sets the tone at a school and it would appear that he was very successful at setting a tone where students felt it was not only OK to streak and that there would be no severe consequence for such behavior.

I don’t understand how it is legal for students to strip and run through campus while if they did the same thing at T and C across the Embarcadero they would be arrested.

The safety and well being of our students includes an environment where they shouldn’t have to even think about whether they are going to have to see a butt naked body paraded in front of them. I am not a prude and have in fact gone to many clothing optional places in my life including nude beaches and retreat centers; however, to my knowledge Palo Alto High School has never been written up as a “clothing optional institution” and it should be made known to students that they will be suspended instead of may be suspended for violating the safe environment that students and parents feel they are providing their students during school hours.

The fact that Winston apparently enjoyed the show is disturbing. Perhaps he was truly concerned with the pain the girls boobs would be experiencing and had to verify that with a student. This is totally inappropriate. How about if Katya was witnessing a streaking incident at Gunn and leaned over to a male student stating, “that must be painful for the students private parts”. Hey, they are called “private parts” for a reason. You can show them to anyone you wish to in private.

I hope that the commenters on the streaking thread like True Blue aren’t parents of potential Ivy League bound students who are just trying to keep a suspension off their child’s record. Hey parents, why not teach your children some accountability by letting them accept the consequences of their highly offensive actions. Quit giving students who commit punishable actions the lighter sentence and perhaps some of these activities will stop.

Streaking is not just “youthful highjinks” and should not be tolerated. Perhaps with Winston not at the helm we will have a top administrator at Paly who holds our students to a higher standard of behavior.

There used to be a “Naked Guy” attending Cal. Perhaps the young men who need to take off their clothes to feel liberated or make a statement can do so when they get into a prestigious university. Just bring a towel with you to sit on in the classroom.

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Posted by Spectator at Large, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
45 minutes ago

Spectator at Large is a registered user.

Winston’s Comments About Student’s Breasts Are Totally Unacceptable!!!!

Having reviewed the article about streaking and comments by various posters I would like to state unequivocally that Winston’s viewing of breasts, as evidenced by his comments to other students, is an outrage. It is said that a principal sets the tone at a school and it would appear that he was very successful at setting a tone where students felt it was not only OK to streak and that there would be no severe consequence for such behavior.

I don’t understand how it is legal for students to strip and run through campus while if they did the same thing at T and C across the Embarcadero they would be arrested.

The safety and well being of our students includes an environment where they shouldn’t have to even think about whether they are going to have to see a butt naked body paraded in front of them. I am not a prude and have in fact gone to many clothing optional places in my life including nude beaches and retreat centers; however, to my knowledge Palo Alto High School has never been written up as a “clothing optional institution” and it should be made known to students that they will be suspended instead of may be suspended for violating the safe environment that students and parents feel they are providing their students during school hours.

The fact that Winston apparently enjoyed the show is disturbing. Perhaps he was truly concerned with the pain the girls boobs would be experiencing and had to verify that with a student. This is totally inappropriate. How about if Katya was witnessing a streaking incident at Gunn and leaned over to a male student stating, “that must be painful for the students private parts”. Hey, they are called “private parts” for a reason. You can show them to anyone you wish to in private.

[Portion removed.] Hey parents, why not teach your children some accountability by letting them accept the consequences of their highly offensive actions. Quit giving students who commit punishable actions the lighter sentence and perhaps some of these activities will stop.

Streaking is not just “youthful highjinks” and should not be tolerated. Perhaps with Winston not at the helm we will have a top administrator at Paly who holds our students to a higher standard of behavior.

There used to be a “Naked Guy” attending Cal. Perhaps the young men who need to take off their clothes to feel liberated or make a statement can do so when they get into a prestigious university. Just bring a towel with you to sit on in the classroom.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
2 minutes ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

I think the real problem is that under Phil Winston, this was treated as a joke and there were no consequences. This evidently created a situation in which there were hordes of naked teenage girls bouncing off the campus walls. Enter Phil Winston, who evidently did not realize it was creepy to (1) be striding about among the naked teenage girls sporting his chill soul patch and (2) extra ultra creepy to be commenting on their bodies as he did so. “Does that make her boobs hurt?” I just threw up in my mouth thinking about that.

News travels fast I guess — my daughter texted me from her college: “did you hear about Mr. Winston? I always thought there was something off about him. Now we know why.” Indeed.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
9 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

I think the real problem is that under Phil Winston, this was treated as a joke and there were no consequences. This evidently created a situation in which there were hordes of naked teenage girls bouncing off the campus walls. [Portion removed.]

News travels fast I guess — my daughter texted me from her college: “did you hear about Mr. Winston? I always thought there was something off about him. Now we know why.” Indeed.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
59 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

Please note that one of the comments for which Winston was disciplined was for commenting on the naked breasts of a student who streaked to another student. First, he set the circumstances for streaking to not just occur but to become epidemic. The report is that there were 100 cases in a single month. There are 20 school days per month at most. That means 5 naked students per day.

After having set that stage, Winston evidently then watched a naked female student as she ran across campus, watching her breasts move up and down, then commented on her moving breasts that he had just watched to another female child.

Winston was the principal. He created an environment that was alleged by the teachers and found by a district investigation to be a hostile environment, infected with sexual harassment. It is not an accident that in that environment slut-shaming and rape culture flourished as well. All of the various problems — rape culture, harassment of staff, streaking, “black dong,” “getting a lot of pussy,” “don’t her boobs hurt,” ick, gross, disgusting, whatever — WAKE UP PEOPLE — ALL OF IT was the result of the tone set at the top by Winston.

That is what a hostile environment is.

The only remaining question is why the district put that person back in a classroom — not just a classroom but a special ed classroom.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
on Apr 16, 2014 at 5:51 am

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

Please note that one of the comments for which Winston was disciplined was for commenting on the naked breasts of a student who streaked to another student. First, he set the circumstances for streaking to not just occur but to become epidemic. The report is that there were 100 cases in a single month. There are 20 school days per month at most. That means 5 naked students per day.

[Portion removed.]

Winston was the principal. He created an environment that was alleged by the teachers and found by a district investigation to be a hostile environment, infected with sexual harassment. [Portion removed.]
That is what a hostile environment is.

The only remaining question is why the district put that person back in a classroom — not just a classroom but a special ed classroom.

 

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Thread Titled: Ex-Paly principal disciplined for harassment

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/ex-paly-principal-disciplined-for-harassment

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
14 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

[Portion removed.]

I wrote:

“On reviewing the materials that were released by the district. . .”

These materials are on the district website: Web Link

The comment was “you must be getting a lot of pussy” was alleged to Scott Bowers by a teacher who said that a [portion removed] student report it to that teacher.

The alleged unwelcome touching of the female staff member including hugging and backrubs (gross) was made by Scott Bowers in Phil’s 45/90 notice. Presumably if Phil rubs his hands on another teacher without consent again, he will really be in trouble!

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Posted by MidtownDad, a resident of Midtown
22 minutes ago
MidtownDad is a registered user.

Sorry but this guy need to go. He needs to be in the district office behind a desk. He should not be in a classroom behind closed doors. Especially with Special Ed students. Another wonderful decision by smelly skelly.
I feel sorry for the parents of his current students. To find out this news now. That this confirmed knowledge had been kept from you. I would spend whole the weekend asking my children if anything odd has happened in class. Then be at school first thing Monday to raise hell.

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Posted by MidtownDad, a resident of Midtown
56 minutes ago

MidtownDad is a registered user.

Sorry but this guy need to go. He needs to be in the district office behind a desk. He should not be in a classroom behind closed doors. Especially with Special Ed students. [Portion removed.]

I feel sorry for the parents of his current students. To find out this news now. That this confirmed knowledge had been kept from you. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
10 minutes ago
Edmund Burke is a registered user.
The school board has failed in every way that it is possible for a public body to fail its constituents. This is a sad cautionary tale of how bad things can get when elected officials consistently and over a long period of time fail to exercise oversight, and fail to act with appropriate transparency and accountability. No one can feel anything but shame and disgust reading this account of what appears to be a massive government failure — a failure that continues. Should Phil Winston continue to work in a classroom with special ed children, many of them on the spectrum, many who are unable to express themselves verbally? No.

Winston said to one student that she needed to allow her boyfriend to perform oral sex on her, commented on another student’s naked breasts (after he allowed her to run naked exposing her breasts to him, and then said to a staff member that an African American student was “popular with white girls…because of his black dong.” He also was allegedly stroking, touching, and caressing female students in a way that made people very uncomfortable.

Here are just a few of the important questions raised by this story:

1. Did the school board attempt to prevent OCR from investigating rape culture because it wanted to prevent OCR from discovering the dozens of sexual harassment complaints by faculty and students then in its possession? This appears very likely from the timing.

2. The complaints regarding Winston, even absent the rape culture issue, document a serious hostile educational environment under Title IX and possible a hostile work environment based on sexual harassment under Title VII. Was a Title IX investigation conducted? This appears unlikely as no students were interviewed and Rape Culture emerged at the school even after the district investigation.

3. Once the board became aware of the substantiated allegations (dozens of them) against Winston, why did board members place him in a classroom? That rationale should be public so that the public can evaluate their judgment. In particular, Dana Tom, who was the board president at the time, should be required to account to the public for his views.

4. Why was the public actively misled by Skelly and the board about Winston’s departure? At best, they should have given no comment. But the comments that were given appear to be inaccurate, misleading, and improper in my opinion.

What is called for now is moral, intellectual, and ethical clarity. The ethical and right thing to do was to attempt to dismiss Winston and to remove him from the classroom. Even if it would take time. Even if it would be expensive. The Weekly’s reporting here was marvelous, but it’s editorial lacked moral clarity. The big problem here isn’t that it’s hard to fire teachers. It’s that PAUSD did not even try.

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 11, 2014 at 6:50 pm

Edmund Burke is a registered user.

The school board has failed in every way that it is possible for a public body to fail its constituents. This is a sad cautionary tale of how bad things can get when elected officials consistently and over a long period of time fail to exercise oversight, and fail to act with appropriate transparency and accountability. No one can feel anything but shame and disgust reading this account of what appears to be a massive government failure — a failure that continues. Should Phil Winston continue to work in a classroom with special ed children, many of them on the spectrum, many who are unable to express themselves verbally? No.

Winston said to one student that she needed to allow her boyfriend to perform oral sex on her, commented on another student’s naked breasts (after he allowed her to run naked exposing her breasts to him, and then said to a staff member that an African American student was “popular with white girls…because of his black dong.” [Portion removed.]

Here are just a few of the important questions raised by this story:

1. Did the school board attempt to prevent OCR from investigating rape culture because it wanted to prevent OCR from discovering [portion removed due to misstatement of facts] sexual harassment complaints [portion removed] then in its possession? This appears very likely from the timing.

2. The complaints regarding Winston, even absent the rape culture issue, document a serious hostile educational environment under Title IX and possible a hostile work environment based on sexual harassment under Title VII. Was a Title IX investigation conducted? This appears unlikely as no students were interviewed and Rape Culture emerged at the school even after the district investigation.

3. Once the board became aware of the substantiated allegations (dozens of them) against Winston, why did board members place him in a classroom? That rationale should be public so that the public can evaluate their judgment. In particular, Dana Tom, who was the board president at the time, should be required to account to the public for his views.

4. Why was the public actively misled by Skelly and the board about Winston’s departure? At best, they should have given no comment. But the comments that were given appear to be inaccurate, misleading, and improper in my opinion.

What is called for now is moral, intellectual, and ethical clarity. The ethical and right thing to do was to attempt to dismiss Winston and to remove him from the classroom. Even if it would take time. Even if it would be expensive. The Weekly’s reporting here was marvelous, but it’s editorial lacked moral clarity. The big problem here isn’t that it’s hard to fire teachers. It’s that PAUSD did not even try.

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Posted by peppered, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
2 minutes ago
peppered is a registered user.
Guys like this are very sophisticated. They make sure they behave decently with one set of people while they practice lewd behavior with others. That’s why you see the dichotomy of responses: praise and disgust.

Both groups are right from their own subjective viewpoints.

But the district corroborated the reports from 30 people, mostly staffers (adults). Just because Winston may have behaved well in many cases, that does not excuse his poor behavior in others.

The guy does not belong NEAR a classroom.

Would Skelly feel safe with this guy near his own daughter? Hmmm… no.

But it’s okay for him to be near our daughters?

Nice work Kevin.

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Posted by peppered, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

peppered is a registered user.

Guys like this are very sophisticated. They make sure they behave decently with one set of people while they practice [portion removed] behavior with others. That’s why you see the dichotomy of responses: praise and disgust.

Both groups are right from their own subjective viewpoints.

But the district corroborated the reports from 30 people, mostly staffers (adults). Just because Winston may have behaved well in many cases, that does not excuse his poor behavior in others.

[Portion removed.]

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Posted by Roger Dodger, a resident of another community

2 minutes ago
Roger Dodger is a registered user.

This is a hit piece by a media outlet with another agenda. “Edmund Burke” (who seems to share that agenda to some extent) can intone all he wants to about how “attacking the press is bad form” but the Weekly is hardly The New York Times and it’s been obvious for a while now that they have an editorial agenda of a higher order with regard to the school district. Attacking the press is actually good form when the press is yellow and seeking its own ends, and people on this forum have a right and a responsibility to say that they are disgusted by the tactics of their local paper (muzzling the discussion on this forum when it suits their ends is one highly questionable tactic that comes to mind). There are facts, and then there are *interpretations of facts*, the latter being pretty much everything that’s being said here (including by “Edmund Burke”), the former being truly known only to those involved. (Or, as Rummy would say, “there are a lot of known unknowns.”) Reading the documentation, my own interpretation of the facts is that Winston clearly exhibited some poor behavior and made some poor choices, and also that his intention may have been entirely misinterpreted at times. It also seems to me that he may have been unaware of the fact that his behavior was making others uncomfortable, but that he is not the dangerous serial predator he is being made out to be by the Weekly and other hysterics here. He was perhaps a bit too young for the job and perhaps a bit too eager to please the kids and show that he was hip to their scene. This may have led him to make the classic “young teacher” mistake of not maintaining proper social distance from students, and that social distance is absolutely critical if you are a principal. That also meant that he made certain enemies among the faculty, something which is unavoidable when you are a principal. The man had mountains of accolades when he left his position at Paly; this is hardly the reputation of a serial harasser. Winston clearly was well-liked and did a lot of good by a lot of students and others in his tenure as principal, which is worth remembering. Unfortunately what is done is done, the man’s career and reputation have effectively been ruined, and he will have a difficult path now. The “harm” he may have done pales in comparison to the wreckage the Weekly and the torch-and-pitchfork gang here have done to any semblance of fairness we might have pretended to or hoped for.

As someone who, in a previous job, was accused of being a racist by someone who entirely misinterpreted something I said, I will point out that it’s entirely possible for something similar to have been the case in many of the instances sited here. People get their feelings hurt and misinterpret things all the time. Saying you are uncomfortable or feeling harassed does not, in and of itself, establish any fact other than that your feelings are hurt and you feel harassed. There was and is disagreement about some of the incidents alleged; a lot of this is very fuzzy and the actual *facts* of what was said or what happened are known only to those involved. The single complaint names a number of other teachers, only 4 of whom agreed to be interviewed. Faculty politics is a complicated business, because the stakes are so low (usually involving egos).

The rest of us are just speculating, including “Edmund Burke”.

But let’s not let all that get in the way of ruining a man’s career and reputation. Bring on the torches and pitchforks, we’ve got a mob to form here.

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Posted by Roger Dodger, a resident of another community
7 hours ago

Roger Dodger is a registered user.

This is a hit piece by a media outlet with another agenda. “Edmund Burke” (who seems to share that agenda to some extent) can intone all he wants to about how “attacking the press is bad form” but the Weekly is hardly The New York Times and it’s been obvious for a while now that they have an editorial agenda of a higher order with regard to the school district. Attacking the press is actually good form when the press is yellow and seeking its own ends, and people on this forum have a right and a responsibility to say that they are disgusted by the tactics of their local paper (muzzling the discussion on this forum when it suits their ends is one highly questionable tactic that comes to mind). There are facts, and then there are *interpretations of facts*, the latter being pretty much everything that’s being said here (including by “Edmund Burke”), the former being truly known only to those involved. (Or, as Rummy would say, “there are a lot of known unknowns.”) Reading the documentation, my own interpretation of the facts is that Winston clearly exhibited some poor behavior and made some poor choices, and also that his intention may have been entirely misinterpreted at times. It also seems to me that he may have been unaware of the fact that his behavior was making others uncomfortable, but that he is not the dangerous serial predator he is being made out to be by the Weekly and other hysterics here. He was perhaps a bit too young for the job and perhaps a bit too eager to please the kids and show that he was hip to their scene. This may have led him to make the classic “young teacher” mistake of not maintaining proper social distance from students, and that social distance is absolutely critical if you are a principal. That also meant that he made certain enemies among the faculty, something which is unavoidable when you are a principal. The man had mountains of accolades when he left his position at Paly; this is hardly the reputation of a serial harasser. Winston clearly was well-liked and did a lot of good by a lot of students and others in his tenure as principal, which is worth remembering. Unfortunately what is done is done, the man’s career and reputation have effectively been ruined, and he will have a difficult path now. The “harm” he may have done pales in comparison to the wreckage the Weekly and the torch-and-pitchfork gang here have done to any semblance of fairness we might have pretended to or hoped for.

As someone who, in a previous job, was accused of being a racist by someone who entirely misinterpreted something I said, I will point out that it’s entirely possible for something similar to have been the case in many of the instances sited here. People get their feelings hurt and misinterpret things all the time. Saying you are uncomfortable or feeling harassed does not, in and of itself, establish any fact other than that your feelings are hurt and you feel harassed. There was and is disagreement about some of the incidents alleged; a lot of this is very fuzzy and the actual *facts* of what was said or what happened are known only to those involved. The single complaint names a number of other teachers, [portion removed due to factual misstatement.] Faculty politics is a complicated business, because the stakes are so low (usually involving egos).

The rest of us are just speculating, including “Edmund Burke”.

But let’s not let all that get in the way of ruining a man’s career and reputation. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
17 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

One thing that no one has commented on is that Winston’s comment about the black dong isn’t just sexist it’s actively racist. It uses one of the worst and oldest racist stereotypes about black males and suggests that they are oversexed and involved with white girls. It is disgusting and despicable . It makes me want to vomit that this man had anything to do with my children, he now teaches in special Ed in a class that has many black children in it (thanks to disproportionality) from VTP. This is an outrage that that statement alone was not sufficient to issue a 30 day notice. That statement is racist. No one is even talking about that. Please PASS and SEAN get him out of Jordan and away from black children.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
3 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

One thing that no one has commented on is that Winston’s comment about the black dong isn’t just sexist it’s actively racist. It uses one of the worst and oldest racist stereotypes about black males and suggests that they are oversexed and involved with white girls. It is disgusting and despicable. [Portion removed.] This is an outrage that that statement alone was not sufficient to issue a 30 day notice. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by palymother, a resident of Community Center
1 hour ago
palymother is a registered user.

Peppered, I do care. Mr. Winston was an excellent principal when my daughter attended Paly and for my son, now a senior. I have been a high school teacher for over twenty years and as stated above, I blew the whistle on a sexual harassing admin. years ago when I was a department chair.

Mr. Winston is being publicly maligned here. He has a wife and children. He deserves the defense he has paid for with the CTA. Just like the defense i got when I got when I blew the whistle. Where were you “if this happened in industry” types when this went down a year ago? Buying stock? Buying an SAT tutor? Tweeting? Get a job, ladies.

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Posted by palymother, a resident of Community Center
12 hours ago

palymother is a registered user.

Peppered, I do care. Mr. Winston was an excellent principal when my daughter attended Paly and for my son, now a senior. I have been a high school teacher for over twenty years and as stated above, I blew the whistle on a sexual harassing admin. years ago when I was a department chair.

Mr. Winston is being publicly maligned here. He has a wife and children. He deserves the defense he has paid for with the CTA. Just like the defense i got when I got when I blew the whistle. Where were you “if this happened in industry” types when this went down a year ago? Buying stock? Buying an SAT tutor? Tweeting? [Portion removed.]

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
6 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

Phil HAD DUE PROCESS. What part of this is so opaque? I thought the reporting in the story was good, so why are so many people confused about whether or not PHIL HAD DUE PROCESS?

Phil received a 45/90 notice pursuant to Cal Government Code Section 44938. Under the law he was required to be given a notice of unprofessional conduct 45 days before any action can be taken in order to “correct his or her faults and overcome the grounds for the charge.” He was required to receive a similar notice 90 days prior to any charge of unsatisfactory performance. He received those notices. They listed the charges. That is the process he was due under the law and his union contract and he received it.

Here is how you folks are acting. You are acting like an anonymous person approached the Weekly with an anonymous accusation against Winston of sexual harassment. And they printed it without any verification whatsoever.

See, that is not what happened. What happened is that Scott Bowers, the HR manager for the district, interviewed 4 staff members who independently corroborated the account of the individual who made the first complaint. That’s five credible adults who verified the events complained of.

The investigation was sufficient to substantiate the accounts. The lawyer agreed. Kevin Skelly and the school board agreed.

Then they all took a wrong turn. Instead of issuing a 30 day notice of termination for immoral conduct under 44932(a)(1) as sexual harassment is usually handled, or under 44932(a)(7) for violating state law and district policy against sexual harassment, they elected to proceed to place him in a special education classroom (watched by aides because this IS a South Park episode) and issue a 45/90 notice. No such notice is required or would be appropriate for sexual harassment so he was charged instead with unprofessional conduct and incompetence, two sections that are not related to sexual harassment and not typically (or really ever) used to address it. That is for obvious reasons — why should some sexual harasser get a second bite at that apple? Is it even plausible that state law would require that? Hint: no, it is not, that’s why it is not the law.

Phil Winston should not be in a classroom based on the substantiated allegations of sexual harassment. There should have been a full investigation and he should have received a 30 day notice and suspension on September 15 (the first day he could have received such a notice). Since he didn’t, he should get one now before May 15 and be assigned to sharpen pencils in the district office 8 hours a day while the hearings are held. He will probably lose based on how these cases have come out in the past.

We can fire Tabitha to pay for it. The average cost to fire a sexual harasser is probably less than 2 years of her salary and it looks like Lou Lozano has taken over her job anyway.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
1 hour ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

Phil HAD DUE PROCESS. What part of this is so opaque? I thought the reporting in the story was good, so why are so many people confused about whether or not PHIL HAD DUE PROCESS?

Phil received a 45/90 notice pursuant to Cal Government Code Section 44938. Under the law he was required to be given a notice of unprofessional conduct 45 days before any action can be taken in order to “correct his or her faults and overcome the grounds for the charge.” He was required to receive a similar notice 90 days prior to any charge of unsatisfactory performance. He received those notices. They listed the charges. That is the process he was due under the law and his union contract and he received it.

Here is how you folks are acting. You are acting like an anonymous person approached the Weekly with an anonymous accusation against Winston of sexual harassment. And they printed it without any verification whatsoever.

See, that is not what happened. What happened is that Scott Bowers, the HR manager for the district, interviewed 4 staff members who independently corroborated the account of the individual who made the first complaint. That’s five credible adults who verified the events complained of.

The investigation was sufficient to substantiate the accounts. The lawyer agreed. Kevin Skelly and the school board agreed.

Then they all took a wrong turn. Instead of issuing a 30 day notice of termination for immoral conduct under 44932(a)(1) as sexual harassment is usually handled, or under 44932(a)(7) for violating state law and district policy against sexual harassment, they elected to proceed to place him in a special education classroom (watched by aides because this IS a South Park episode) and issue a 45/90 notice. No such notice is required or would be appropriate for sexual harassment so he was charged instead with unprofessional conduct and incompetence, two sections that are not related to sexual harassment and not typically (or really ever) used to address it. That is for obvious reasons — why should some sexual harasser get a second bite at that apple? Is it even plausible that state law would require that? Hint: no, it is not, that’s why it is not the law.

Phil Winston should not be in a classroom based on the substantiated allegations of sexual harassment. There should have been a full investigation and he should have received a 30 day notice and suspension on September 15 (the first day he could have received such a notice). Since he didn’t, he should get one now before May 15 and be assigned to [portion removed] the district office 8 hours a day while the hearings are held. He will probably lose based on how these cases have come out in the past.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
23 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

OK, I’m game. Editor, why did you remove the words “sharpen pencils in” from the sentence: “Since he didn’t, he should get one now before May 15 and be assigned to sharpen pencils in the district office 8 hours a day while the hearings are held.”

May I respectfully request that you spend your time fact checking the things that Yoohoo Lou tells you instead of deleting the entirely unoffensive words “sharpen pencils in” from a post? It seems to me that the guy who wrote the sentence:

“In this case, the district gave Winston the mandated “45-90″-day notice, but UNDER THE LAW, it is unlikely that he will face further disciplinary action unless he repeats the behavior he has been warned about. How nice it would be to see, as one outcome of this case, our district, including its teachers, advocating for reform of this system.”

Words in ALL CAPS are not true.

Also, if you know anything about rubber rooms (Ira Glass had a great episode on the NYC rubber room a few years back) then you know that it is even basically factually accurate. I could have said “staple papers together” or “sort paper clips” or “sit silently and do nothing” also.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
44 minutes ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
22 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.
Sorry:

It seems to me that the guy who wrote this sentence should spend his time more profitably calling up YooHoo Lou and Kevin Skelly to ask why they misled him:

“In this case, the district gave Winston the mandated “45-90″-day notice, but UNDER THE LAW, it is unlikely that he will face further disciplinary action unless he repeats the behavior he has been warned about. How nice it would be to see, as one outcome of this case, our district, including its teachers, advocating for reform of this system.”

Words in ALL CAPS are not true.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
14 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

[Portion removed.]

I wrote:

“On reviewing the materials that were released by the district. . .”

These materials are on the district website: Web Link

The comment was “you must be getting a lot of pussy” was alleged to Scott Bowers by a teacher who said that a [portion removed] student report it to that teacher.

The alleged unwelcome touching of the female staff member including hugging and backrubs (gross) was made by Scott Bowers in Phil’s 45/90 notice. Presumably if Phil rubs his hands on another teacher without consent again, he will really be in trouble!

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Thread Titled: School administrator Kathleen Meagher to leave for Virginia

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/school-administrator-kathleen-meagher-to-leave-for-virginia

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Posted by Somme people, a resident of Mayfield
5 hours ago

Is she going to receive higher pay in her new position? If so, that would really be a shocker!

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Posted by Somme people, a resident of Mayfield
8 hours ago

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Posted by Mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
1 hour ago

Good riddance. She got the job as principal because she is a pal of Skelly’s and was springboarding to the district office. I worked with her on the PTA and yes, “Duveneck parent” is correct in the description of her. Perhaps being surrounded by intellectuals resulted in her condescending, unprofessional style so she could feel better about herself. To do well in PAUSD, administrators have to know how to work well with people and compromise, rather than dictate. Notice she can’t stay at any job position at length. My sympathies to Arlington Public Schools, but congratulations to us!

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Posted by Mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
4 hours ago

[Portion removed.] I worked with her on the PTA and yes, “Duveneck parent” is correct in the description of her. Perhaps being surrounded by intellectuals resulted in her condescending, unprofessional style so she could feel better about herself. To do well in PAUSD, administrators have to know how to work well with people and compromise, rather than dictate. [Portion removed.]

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Thread Titled: Editorial: Hard school lessons

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/editorial-hard-school-lessons

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
3 minutes ago
Edmund Burke is a registered user.

While the reporting on this subject was outstanding and truly marvelous (particularly the tenacity behind the reporting) his editorial lacks moral clarity.

The Weekly claims that “Lesson Number One” is: In California, the law makes it so expensive and onerous to terminate a credentialed teacher that most districts decide not to even try.

No.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD failed when it placed Phil Winston, who the district’s own investigation had substantiated and serious allegations of sexual harassment about, back into the classroom. And not just any classroom, a special education classroom, with our most vulnerable children.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD should have placed Winston in a position not in contact with students and attempted to dismiss him, as do other districts when they have teachers who have committed serious offenses. It is absolutely appalling that PAUSD did not do this, and appalling that the Weekly thinks that lesson number one is some kind of lesson about California law reform.

Lesson Number One is our school board sat by mutely while Kevin Skelly actively misled the public about Winston. Lesson Number One is that we need a board and superintendent that put students first. Lesson Number One is that our school board is a moral and ethical madhouse. Rather than insisting that we try to dismiss this teacher, even if it was expensive, even if it took a long time, because it was the right thing to do, they allowed the public to be told that Winston was “good with kids.”

Lesson Number One is that a school board that would do that has no moral compass. They are at sea, and land is no longer in sight at all.

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
4 hours ago

Edmund Burke is a registered user.

While the reporting on this subject was outstanding and truly marvelous (particularly the tenacity behind the reporting) his editorial lacks moral clarity.

The Weekly claims that “Lesson Number One” is: In California, the law makes it so expensive and onerous to terminate a credentialed teacher that most districts decide not to even try.

No.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD failed when it placed Phil Winston, who the district’s own investigation had substantiated and serious allegations of sexual harassment about, back into the classroom. And not just any classroom, a special education classroom, with our most vulnerable children.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD should have placed Winston in a position not in contact with students and attempted to dismiss him, as do other districts when they have teachers who have committed serious offenses. It is absolutely appalling that PAUSD did not do this, and appalling that the Weekly thinks that lesson number one is some kind of lesson about California law reform.

Lesson Number One is our school board sat by mutely while Kevin Skelly actively misled the public about Winston. Lesson Number One is that we need a board and superintendent that put students first. [Portion removed.] Rather than insisting that we try to dismiss this teacher, even if it was expensive, even if it took a long time, because it was the right thing to do, they allowed the public to be told that Winston was “good with kids.”

Lesson Number One is that a school board that would do that has no moral compass. They are at sea, and land is no longer in sight at all.

 

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Thread Titled: Man arrested for armed robbery of pedestrian

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/07/man-arrested-for-armed-robbery-of-pedestrian

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Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
4 minutes ago
Bru is a registered user.

Hmmm, you cannot seem to let one post of mine go by without making some spurious attack on it. You’re deliberately misreading my statements – and what for – to make just plain silly accusations against me … how empty your life must be to have to center around this stuff.

Attacks by unbalanced people in Palo Alto, like suicides by train, are a terrible tragedy, but they are not chronic, they are not deliberate evil and a constant threat, and each one is different meaning there is no one thing we can do or one way to look at them.

On the other side we have had a pretty constant but thankfully infrequent muggings, robberies or attacks on people who are just walking in the street minding their own business. This concerns me. I think it ought to concern all Palo Altans, and I think it ought to concern you, whether the language used tweaks your sensiblities or not.

By the way, because random public robberies and assaults concern me and I comment on it does not I am not concerned about other stories or problems as you seem to be deliberately misinterpreting my comment. Why don’t you take a rest and get some help. When you cannot allow me to have my own opinion without constant insults and then deletions of them when you go to far you have a problem. Why don’t you let someone else be the focus of it for while or get some help?

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Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
36 minutes ago

Bru is a registered user.

[Portion removed.]

Attacks by unbalanced people in Palo Alto, like suicides by train, are a terrible tragedy, but they are not chronic, they are not deliberate evil and a constant threat, and each one is different meaning there is no one thing we can do or one way to look at them.

On the other side we have had a pretty constant but thankfully infrequent muggings, robberies or attacks on people who are just walking in the street minding their own business. This concerns me. I think it ought to concern all Palo Altans, and I think it ought to concern you, [portion removed.]

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Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto
1 minutes ago
Hmmm is a registered user.

Bru: quit being such a creep. You know EXACTLY what I mean – you’re narrow-minded, classist jerk who pretends otherwise. Your response totally gives you away.

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Thread Titled: Parents giving teachers gifts before they give kids grades

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/07/parents-giving-teachers-gifts-before-they-give-kids-grades

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Posted by no surprise, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
3 hours ago

My child’s teacher asked for visa gift cards directly….. and those who complied got all sorts of things…. the best teacher for the next grade for starters…PAUSD is filled with extortion. My kids’ elementary school is like Sicily that way. Everyone says “Oh my, not at PAUSD!” well, go look in the teacher’s cubbies…filled to the brim with “little thank yous” for future favors.

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Posted by no surprise, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
4 hours ago

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Posted by Rupert of henzau, a resident of Midtown
16 minutes ago
“My child’s teacher asked for visa gift cards directly….. and those who complied got all sorts of things…. the best teacher for the next grade for starters…PAUSD is filled with extortion. My kids’ elementary school is like Sicily that way. Everyone says “Oh my, not at PAUSD!” well, go look in the teacher’s cubbies…filled to the brim with “little thank yous” for future favors.”

Okay, no surprise, we haven another bogus claim, thatnyounare pet ulating.
Name the schools whee this has occurred and the teachers involved. Of course you basically say all the teachers are involved. Let’s see some proofs your ridiculous claims.

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Posted by Rupert of henzau, a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

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Thread Titled: Setting aside time for discussing, ‘dissolving’ stereotypes

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/04/setting-aside-time-for-discussing-dissolving-stereotypes

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Posted by Back to the Future, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
1 hour ago
Ok, funny story. So I thought I was posting to this story about how this story seems disconnected from what is really happening in PAUSD since it is about bullying but doesn’t even mention in passing the last 2 years of bullying controversy, federal investigations and the like.

It turns out that it doesn’t mention the last 2 years because it was written 3 years ago. In 2011.

This story is a wholesale rehash of a story published by the same reporter on April 1, 2011. It includes, believe it or not, the same quotes. It includes a whole paragraph literally lifted from the prior story.

I posted on the 2011 story because I thought it was the 2014 story that I read in the written paper. Then I found out it was not quite the same (but almost!) story.

So that answers my original question of why this story doesn’t address or even mention what’s happened in the last 2 years. It was written 3 years ago. Is this April Fool’s?

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Posted by Back to the Future, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
1 hour ago

Here’s the link to the 2011 story: Web Link

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Posted by Back to the Future, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Apr 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
7 hours ago

@Moderator – May I, respectfully, suggest to add this thread to the Schools & kids Category? currently it is “around town”.

@Back to the Future-
You asked: “…Is this April Fool’s?” Yes, Thank you. Everyday is my day. Somewhere.
And, Thank you for posting the link.

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Posted by Can-We-Tell-Each-Other-The-Truth?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
16 minutes ago
> A Muslim student said, “The thing I want is for everyone to stop
> judging us all based on what only a fraction of our population did.”

Interesting. Over the past 1500 years, Islam has been responsible for killing, and enslaving, perhaps 250M people. The actual numbers are not really knowable, so no one was recording the death counts of those lands, and peoples, who were subject to the Peace of Allah.

Everywhere one looks in the historical record, free peoples fell under the sword of Islam. The most horrific death counts can be found in what is called the Hindu Holocaust, which lasted for about six hundred years. Hindu historians estimate that perhaps 80M to 100M Hindus died while Islam dominated that subcontinent. Even recently, about 2M Hindus and Muslims died (they killed each other) during the Indian/Pakistani Partition (1947-48 timeframe).

It seems very difficult to understand how people can overcome these sorts of differences. Pretending that these events did not happen is not the best way, is it?

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Posted by Can-We-Tell-Each-Other-The-Truth?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 5, 2014 at 10:15 am

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Posted by Exclusion, a resident of Palo Alto High School
1 hour ago

Certain ethnic groups at Paly are very exclusionary, and even refuse to speak English in or out of the classroom. A few have refused to include American students when asked to separate into groups for study or brainstorming, and when forced to do so, again refuse to speak English in the presence of the American students.

Egalitarianism begins at home, and one wonders what these ethnic kids are learning from their elitist ( racist? ) parents.

Racism works both ways, and when called on it, these people often pull the race card themselves as a distraction or cover.

This is a problem that can no longer be ignored in schools or daily life.

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Posted by Exclusion, a resident of Palo Alto High School
9 hours ago

Certain ethnic groups at Paly are very exclusionary, and even refuse to speak English in or out of the classroom. A few have refused to include American students when asked to separate into groups for study or brainstorming, and when forced to do so, again refuse to speak English in the presence of the American students.

Egalitarianism begins at home, and one wonders what these ethnic kids are learning from their [portion removed] parents.

Racism works both ways, and when called on it, these people often pull the race card themselves as a distraction or cover.

This is a problem that can no longer be ignored in schools or daily life.

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Thread Titled:  English ‘lanes’ limit students

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/28/guest-opinion

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Posted by not again, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood

5 minutes ago
Weekly,Just wondering, how did Priory mom’s comment about homework machines and property values stay, and my comment about a fact get deleted. The posters arguing for the Opinion piece have identified themselves as being from Other non-Paly neighborhoods. That’s a fact.

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Thread Titled: Addison Elementary principal to leave

 

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/03/28/addison-elementary-principal-to-leave

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Posted by District insider, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
8 hours ago

Why don’t you check with Katya and get back to me on that.

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Thread restricted only to commentators who login.   This thread was restricted very fast, it seems that it was open to all for about an hour.

The last comment seems to be about Gunn’s principal who announced her plans to step down. The thread that listed her announcement three days ago is still open to all.

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Thread Titled: Gunn principal Villalobos to step down

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/25/gunn-principal-villalobos-to-step-down

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Posted by Experience did not matter , a resident of Adobe-Meadows
4 minutes ago
What is the reason for editing out the “experience matters” reference? What rule did that supposedly violate? Good lord. How random.

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Posted by Experience did not matter , a resident of Adobe-Meadows
13 minutes ago

I agree with village fool. There is a lot going on that people don’t know about. OCR investigations will continue for a long time after Skelly has exited stage right. His terrible management and lack of accountability will continue to be a millstone around the community’s neck for a long time to come . Things at Paly are going to explode as the facts come out. Same with Gunn. Rape culture is only one example of a general culture of retaliation , noncompliance , secrecy. If you think about it, it really can’t be any other way. Anyone who has watched a board meeting in the past 5 years has come away slack jawed and disgusted at how monumentally incompetent they are. With no functioning oversight, and an arrogant and secretive management at 25 Churchill what did you expect. There were plenty of people including Barbara Klausner, Becky Beacom, ken Dauber and others who were pointing out problems but all you people wanted was happy talk. Well try happy talking about the sh@t that is about to go down. That’ll be fun to watch. Clean house or see your schools degrade. I can’t wait to see tabithas press release about the new information. Remember “experience matters”? Maybe not in the way you thought.

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Posted by Experience did not matter , a resident of Adobe-Meadows
15 hours ago

I agree with village fool. There is a lot going on that people don’t know about. OCR investigations will continue for a long time after Skelly has exited stage right. His terrible management and lack of accountability will continue to be a millstone around the community’s neck for a long time to come . Things at Paly are going to explode as the facts come out. Same with Gunn. Rape culture is only one example of a general culture of retaliation , noncompliance , secrecy. If you think about it, it really can’t be any other way. Anyone who has watched a board meeting in the past 5 years has come away slack jawed and disgusted at how monumentally incompetent they are. With no functioning oversight, and an arrogant and secretive management at 25 Churchill what did you expect. There were plenty of people including Barbara Klausner, Becky Beacom, ken Dauber and others who were pointing out problems but all you people wanted was happy talk. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@worse – quite possibly it is worse. Bad news travel slowly. Here is my take on “cutting the mike” of the PAUSD Board Secret meetings Thread – Web Link

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
52 minutes ago

@worse – quite possibly it is worse. Bad news travel slowly. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by Student, a resident of Palo Alto High School
6 hours ago

Kim Diorio? I want Phil Winston back – he made great changes while she has done nothing and doesn’t answer emails. She gets overwhelmed easily and has young children to distract her. She is a nice person, however.

Mrs. Diorio, I suggest teacher evaluations so the super challenging teachers have to change their ways. Some of them have no idea of the pressure we face as teenagers in a college prep environment. And it’s not just the students who take 10 APs (limiting quantity of APs taken would help lower stress). Some teachers are just TOO passionate about force-feeding information.

Student, do you realize what happens when Gunn is in the rankings? It DOES cause stress because immigrants who prioritize academics above all else (besides piano and violin) look at those rankings and flock to your school. These immigrants prioritize academics to the extreme, so competition at your school becomes extreme and everyone ends up sleep-deprived.

And to Gunn parents who think so well of Advisory – it’s a waste of time and the teachers are full of lack of information and misinformation. I don’t trust anything they say about the college process because they are teachers, not specialists like the college counselors at our school. No one goes to their Advisor for help. More time instead of Advisory would be helpful. Depending on teachers, we have little time to recuperate.

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Posted by Student, a resident of Palo Alto High School
20 hours ago

Kim Diorio? I want Phil Winston back – he made great changes while she has done nothing and doesn’t answer emails. She gets overwhelmed easily and has young children to distract her. She is a nice person, however.

Mrs. Diorio, I suggest teacher evaluations so the super challenging teachers have to change their ways. Some of them have no idea of the pressure we face as teenagers in a college prep environment. And it’s not just the students who take 10 APs (limiting quantity of APs taken would help lower stress). Some teachers are just TOO passionate about force-feeding information.

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And to Gunn parents who think so well of Advisory – it’s a waste of time and the teachers are full of lack of information and misinformation. I don’t trust anything they say about the college process because they are teachers, not specialists like the college counselors at our school. No one goes to their Advisor for help. More time instead of Advisory would be helpful. Depending on teachers, we have little time to recuperate.

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Thread Titled:Seventy-six in Palo Alto school district get tenure

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/25/seventy-six-in-palo-alto-school-district-to-get-tenure-tonight

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Posted by Anony Mouse, a resident of Juana Briones School
15 minutes ago

My once-a-year foray into Palo Alto Online.
It draws to an end.
You can have it back now, trolls.
I am alienated.
Stop by for a cup of tea sometime.
I’d love to talk about how much I love my students,
and how I love the parent support.
And how tenure is part of the complicated mix
that makes this job worthwhile.
It’s mostly the students, though.
I’m out.

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Posted by Anony Mouse, a resident of Juana Briones School
18 hours ago

[Portion removed.]
Stop by for a cup of tea sometime.
I’d love to talk about how much I love my students,
and how I love the parent support.
And how tenure is part of the complicated mix
that makes this job worthwhile.
It’s mostly the students, though.
I’m out.

 

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Threat Titled: Palo Alto mulls dedicating new parkland

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link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/03/19/council-mulls-dedicating-new-parkland

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
16 hours ago

@Moderator – may I, respectfully, suggest to consider adding this thread to another category? (currently it is under schools & kids category)

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
16 hours ago

@Moderator – may I also, respectfully, suggest to add a new category? Maybe the new category can be titled – for Palo Alto residents, ONLY?
(it is my understanding that this park is not accessible to anyone who is not “Palo Altan”).

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Thread titled: Three Palo Alto principals announce retirements

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/19/three-palo-alto-principals-announce-retirements#comment_form

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Posted by Cheap shots at the principals, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
28 minutes ago

The Weekly has always been fickle with deletions. I have posted some hard-hitting criticism of both teachers and administrators and it has been left intact, while other innocuous posts have been sent away. I’ll keep posting. If you read the Town Square rules, you’ll be surprised. I consider it good input and feedback. The threat from posting your name for some of us in the community is real, it cannot be ignored. But Beth Estrada’s snipes at other posters does nothing to help the dialogue. For example, the anger in her posts is embarrassing, and yet I don’t think she can see it as readily as she misinterprets it in another post. The tone of her posts is indeed arrogant, IMO. Is it against the rules to point that out? Would that be anger? Does that have a tone? I hope this post helps her, I really do, because it doesn’t matter if you were raised in Palo Alto like me or if you have been here less than two years (that other poster made me think about hiring practices), all opinions should be welcome in a democracy or Town Square. Labeling them mean, angry, or otherwise is a fair opinion, but it’s just that.

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Posted by Cheap shots at the principals, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
8 hours ago

The Weekly has always been fickle with deletions. I have posted some hard-hitting criticism of both teachers and administrators and it has been left intact, while other innocuous posts have been sent away. I’ll keep posting. If you read the Town Square rules, you’ll be surprised. I consider it good input and feedback. The threat from posting your name for some of us in the community is real, it cannot be ignored. But Beth Estrada’s snipes at other posters does nothing to help the dialogue. [Portion removed.] I hope this post helps her, I really do, because it doesn’t matter if you were raised in Palo Alto like me or if you have been here less than two years (that other poster made me think about hiring practices), all opinions should be welcome in a democracy or Town Square. Labeling them mean, angry, or otherwise is a fair opinion, but it’s just that.

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Thread Titled: OCR finds retaliation by San Carlos schools from IEP meeting recording

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/15/ocr-finds-retaliation-by-san-carlos-school-district-in-dispute–over-iep-meeting-recording-

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Posted by Jumping the shark, a resident of Greenmeadow
3 hours ago

“a tough spot for all” is finally showing her hand. She seems to have two aims:

1) Expunge special education students from PAUSD, by suggesting to parents that they transfer to Redwood City rather than stay in our schools. I don’t know how to respond to that, except to say that it’s nauseating.

2) [Portion removed due to referencing previously deleted comment.]

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Thread Titled: Why is Town Square So Out of Sync With Dominant Free Speech Norms of the Internet; or, is this Forum Not a Forum Anymore Due to Heavy-Handed Editing of Posts

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/index.php?i=3&d=1&t=21685#comment_form

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
35 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.

@village idiot & Palydad – have I missed any updates?

(a very simple question which must be asked extremely carefully – I tried to ask a couple of months ago, my question vanished).

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Thread Titled : Special education family sues district

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/06/special-education-family-sues-district

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
2 hours ago

village fool is a registered user.
@JLS mom of 2 – I decided to log in and respond to you. I hope you’ll see my post before it is gone.
You raised this issues shortly after the PAUSD board’s secret meeting became public knowledge in a fascinating thread which was locked, completely, fast.

I responded to you, then that:
“I see several obstacles standing in the way of public grass rooting, organizing petitions, etc. The biggest one is fear of retaliation. I doubt anyone who currently has a child in PAUSD will risk the child well being, especially if there are current concerns regarding the child….” (part of my comment, I cannot copy all).
Here is a link to this very informative thread: Web Link

Obviously, these issues were discussed in other places. The fact that these type issues are still impacting children just amplify my understanding that nothing has changed, unfortunately.
Sadly, I think that my open address to Ms. Gaona- mendoza after the Oct 8th board meeting still reflects the current atmosphere – Web Link

I think that the Oct 8th PAUSD Board meeting provided a clear “preview” to the Jan 28th PAUSD Board meeting that was titled by the great editorial – Nadir.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that the real nadirs still happen mostly behind closed doors, no TV presence. I wrote more here – Web Link

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
2 hours ago

village fool is a registered user.
@JLS mom of 2 -
You raised this issues shortly after the PAUSD board’s secret meeting became public knowledge in a fascinating thread [portion removed.]

I responded to you, then that:
“I see several obstacles standing in the way of public grass rooting, organizing petitions, etc. The biggest one is fear of retaliation. I doubt anyone who currently has a child in PAUSD will risk the child well being, especially if there are current concerns regarding the child….” (part of my comment, I cannot copy all).
Here is a link to this very informative thread: Web Link

Obviously, these issues were discussed in other places. The fact that these type issues are still impacting children just amplify my understanding that nothing has changed, unfortunately.
Sadly, I think that my open address to Ms. Gaona- mendoza after the Oct 8th board meeting still reflects the current atmosphere – Web Link

I think that the Oct 8th PAUSD Board meeting provided a clear “preview” to the Jan 28th PAUSD Board meeting that was titled by the great editorial – Nadir.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that the real nadirs still happen mostly behind closed doors, no TV presence. I wrote more here – Web Link

Comments: 

The beginning of my comment was censored. I posted:

“@JLS mom of 2 – I decided to log in and respond to you. I hope you’ll see my post before it is gone.
You raised this issues shortly after the PAUSD board’s secret meeting became public knowledge in a fascinating thread which was locked, completely, fast.”

The moderator  removed my first sentence without indicating that.  I actually do not  understand the reason that had many of my comments disappeared completely, without a trace, before. The  portion removed, marked by the moderator, was: ” which was locked, completely, fast.”. I think that my description did not violate any terms of use. The thread was locked, completely, fast.  The thread is still locked now.

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Thread Titled: Editorial: The Skelly resignation

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/21/editorial-the-skelly-resignation

Before:

Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto

13 minutes ago
George Orwell is a registered user.

Bravo! lock the thread, silence the discussion.

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Comment vanished.

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@moderator – may I suggest to consider adding this thread to the Schools & Kids category?

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Thread moved from “Around town” Category to ‘Schools & kids” category. You are very welcome.

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Thread Titled:Palo Alto superintendent Kevin Skelly to resign June 30

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/18/palo-alto-superintendent-kevin-skelly-to-resign-june-30

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Posted by Business, not personal, a resident of Terman Middle School
5 minutes ago

Kevin Skelly is not concerned with students first, Kevin Skelly is all about Kevin Skelly, even in the end. He should have been phased out beginning in 2009 when he made borderline racist comments about Latino students and also parents with doctorates. Then with Everyday Math and the ineffective response to the suicides, a search should have begun for a new superintendent in early 2010 at the latest. The board was negligent to not do this then and they appear clueless now as Barb Mitchell states that his departure is all his decision. I hope that is not true because this town is thirsty for leadership, the kind where there is controversy for the right reason. Skelly will have received around $2,000,000 in pay, benefits, and other perks like an interest-free loan at the taxpayers’ expense. He did pretty well for himself in almost seven years, he has benefitted from Palo Alto quite handsomely. Now with his leaving, the board has a pretty simple task of calling up Leadership Associates for a new superintendent, which has a good chance to be someone who is connected to Skelly. How well do you predict the board will perform its duty? Do you have faith in them anymore? Skelly is part of the problem and his damage is going to last in the form of lawsuits and legal fees. But now what? Charles Young? Probably not, because Skelly has propped him up for almost three years. Scott Bowers? Almost, but not quite. Scott Laurence. Not even close. Don’t cheer Skelly’s resignation if you want to be mean that won’t help students, but continue to demand the best of your board or send the, on their way.

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Posted by Business, not personal, a resident of Terman Middle School
29 minutes ago

[Post removed.]

Comment, another post by Business, not personal:

Posted by Business, not personal, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
3 minutes ago

Thanks for deleting my previous post, I didn’t really like it. The following is more important. From a post I made in the Town Square in August, 2013:

“I predict we’ll have announcement of a resignation by February by Skelly.”

Before:

Posted by Curious, a resident of Greenmeadow
4 minutes ago

Has anyone else noticed that posts criticizing Kevin Skelly tend to have worse grammar and spelling?

Good luck, Kevin – you will be missed.

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Thread titled: Editorial: The Paly English kerfuffle

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/14/editorial-the-paly-english-kerfuffle

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Posted by delete the idiot, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
15 minutes ago

Editor — why does “Answers” get to say that about Mrs. Launer? That is an accusation essentially of incompetence in her profession. She is a HS teacher not a public figure. I know you deleted the worst crap and garbage out of that post (attacking a special needs child? Publicizing who is adopted? What a dickhead “answers” is and also what low, low depths these pro-tracking racists are willing to sink to)) But you missed a spot. Do you have a reason it is reasonable to accuse her of professional incompetence in a publication? If not, fix it.

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Posted by delete the idiot, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
4 hours ago

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

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Thread Titled: School board to vote on harassment policy

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/10/school-board-to-vote-on-harassment-policy

Before:

Posted by Reality check, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
21 minutes ago

There was no strong negative campaign against Townsend from the Dauber side, at least not one I noticed. There was, though, a strong negative campaign against Danger from the Townsend campaign. Mandie Lowell, wife of the Santa Clara County Republican party leader and billionaire Charles Munger, sent thousands of negative emails targeting Dauber just before the election. Lowell was Townsend cochair.

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Thread Titled: Editorial: The school board’s nadir

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/01/31/editorial-the-school-boards-nadir

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Before:

Posted by Pete Seeger, a resident of Duveneck School
3 minutes ago

Mitchell is completely completely consistent. Liberty is for white people. Authority is for brown people. Anyone who thinks that Ms. Mitchell would have treated a white Jordan student from Duveneck with that kind of contempt, I have a bridge for you.

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Posted by Pete Seeger, a resident of Duveneck School
1 hour ago

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Thread Titled:  Referendum threatens transgender student law

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/31/referendum-threatens-transgender-student-law

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Posted by Hushabye, a resident of Stanford
18 minutes ago
Herr von Henzau, you have too little to do and too much spare time. Stop offending people.

Posted by Rupert of Henzau, a resident of Midtown
4 minutes ago

Nayeli– if you would bother to read my posts carefully, you will see that I am not enameled with conservatives, Christians right wingers and republicans. Just the opposite, I dislike their disregard for equal rights for minorities,gays etc. just because a majority of,people oppose something does not mean anything- rights issues are not decided by majority vote.
You have put forth a series of ridiculous scenarios regarding this benign law.

Frau hushaby Hutcheson– expressing opinion sthat others disagree with may seem ” offensive”. However that is my right. I find you comment offensive

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Posted by Hushabye, a resident of Stanford
2 hours ago

[Post removed.]

Posted by Rupert of Henzau, a resident of Midtown
2 hours ago

Nayeli– if you would bother to read my posts carefully, you will see that I am not enameled with conservatives, Christians right wingers and republicans. Just the opposite, I dislike their disregard for equal rights for minorities,gays etc. just because a majority of,people oppose something does not mean anything- rights issues are not decided by majority vote.

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Thread Titled:

Why is Town Square So Out of Sync With Dominant Free Speech Norms of the Internet; or, is this Forum Not a Forum Anymore Due to Heavy-Handed Editing of Posts

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/09/09/why-is-town-square-so-out-of-sync-with-dominant-free-speech-norms-of-the-internet-or-is-this-forum-not-a-forum-anymore-due-to-heavy-handed-editing-of-posts

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Before – posted 01/01/2014:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.
@PalyDad – Have I missed any updates?

(meanwhile I bumped into other manifestations that are beyond my grasp. I posted samples of what I happened to see (Before & After) in my blog – Web Link)

Happy New Year!

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Thread Titled:  Open address to Ken Dauber – PLEASE, reconsider forming a Shadow PAUSD Board.

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/17/open-address-to-ken-dauber–please–reconsider-forming-a-shadow-pausd-board

Before #1:

Posted by parent is full of it, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
3 minutes ago

@parent — I respectfully disagree. I believe that what is watering down the district is wasting time, money, attention, and resources on things like civil rights investigations into why the district did not do enough to prevent and remediate the bullying of disabled children, why the district’s policies do not meet the minimum legally required, why we have RAPE CULTURE in our high school, and why our compliance officer cannot get us into compliance. Everything just listed out is deadweight loss and also an absolute disgrace and embarrassment.

What is watering down education is paying money and attention to all this stuff that is not education. that is due to the fact that we have a board of inept hens. We need a board with some leaders. Dauber is a leader. All this stuff about watering down is just nonsense. He went to Yale. He’s a Googler. He’s smarter than any of these people, and the idea that he doesn’t care about education is just dumb. One child graduated from Stanford, one from Cal, one from RISD, I don’t know about the rest. One of his daughters is a teacher.

Try your slander another time.

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Posted by parent is full of it, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
10 minutes ago

@parent — I respectfully disagree. I believe that what is watering down the district is wasting time, money, attention, and resources on things like civil rights investigations into why the district did not do enough to prevent and remediate the bullying of disabled children, why the district’s policies do not meet the minimum legally required, why we have RAPE CULTURE in our high school, and why our compliance officer cannot get us into compliance. Everything just listed out is deadweight loss and also an absolute disgrace and embarrassment.

What is watering down education is paying money and attention to all this stuff that is not education. that is due to the fact that we have a board of inept hens. We need a board with some leaders. Dauber is a leader. All this stuff about watering down is just nonsense. [Portion removed.]

Before #2:

Posted by PalyDad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
2 minutes ago

PalyDad is a registered user.
Please explain how Dauber’s biography or his educationally successful children violate your terms of use. How is it offensive to say his kids went to Stanford and Cal and he went to Yale but not offensive to say that the fact that he lost was “dodging a bullet” and he wants to “water down” education? [Portion removed] you.

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Before #3:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.
Where has PalyDad’s comment gone?
It can be found along the missing portion of “parent is full of it” on my blog where I dedicated a on a page to Editing/Censoring – Web Link

After #3:

My post gone. I cannot understand the “editing” of #1, and the vanishing of #2.  Having seen the “fate” of #1 and #2 I could expect that  #3,  my comment referring to this page, will disappear.

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Thread Titled: In secret, school board weighs not cooperating with federal agency

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/07/12/in-secret-school-board-weighs-not-cooperating-with-federal-agency

Before AND After:

Posted by yes, but, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2014 at 9:16 am

Town Square Moderator,

There is a separate thread which Village Fool keeps resuscitating which I believe is a method to ignite controversy surrounding similar issues. It’s among your top posts of the day. If people click, it just gets more views, usually few people have commented since the original thread was started.

I have appreciated your delivering news on the topics regardless of controversy; however, when posters use a thread to ignite passions towards one view or another, that seems unnecessary. Astroturf movements on Town Square should at least have real people behind them.

Palo Alto Online Moderator Response:

Thanks for pointing this out. We’ve closed that topic from further comment so this won’t happen any longer.

(posted on:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/01/31/editorial-the-school-boards-nadir)

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on Jul 15, 2013 at 5:47 am

I am confused – is it certain that the recent agreements with the OCR will be followed?

After:

Thread locked, made available only to those who log in. That proved to stifle the discussion.

Before- posted on 01/02/2014

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.
@Never been more disgusted – Back in July you wrote:
“…Or maybe I will continue to teach my students that their democratic duty is to criticize their elected and paid leaders to ensure that they are representing us. My union president may be silent right now, but I will not be.”
I wished you, then, that you voice will be heard. I decided, then, to try to follow up with you.
I want to think that you also teach the virtues of free speech, First Amendment etc.

“teachers too” ended her/his comment here ( Web Link) saying: “… they are the people we pay to care for our kids, and they are all part of the problem. Until they recognize that and stop playing the game of silence, then only then will we be on the way to improvement.”

All correlates nicely to your July’s comment, above.

Wishing you that your voice will be heard and inspire your students. Many agree that teachers’ personal modeling can go a long way.
Happy New year!

(this is part of a longer post in my blog – Web Link)

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Before – posted 12/15/2013:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Never been so disgusted – Back in July I decided to try and follow up with you. I posted here, yesterday, Saturday 12/14/12.
My sincere efforts to conform to the Terms of Use did not help me, and my comment disappeared completely. It can be found on my blog where I have posted samples of editing/censoring (Web Link)

Happy Holidays and Break! (I hope my holiday greetings will remain untouched)

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Before:

The following comment was posted, and disappeared on Saturday, 12/14/13

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
1 hour ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Never been more disgusted – back in July you wrote – “…Or maybe I will continue to teach my students that their democratic duty is to criticize their elected and paid leaders to ensure that they are representing us. My union president may be silent right now, but I will not be.”
I wished you, then, that your voice would be heard.

Back in July I decided to try and follow up with you. I am writing to wish you a great Holiday and break!

I do hope that you are also teaching the virtues of free speech. I wonder if teaching the virtues of free speech include any type of personal modeling?
Back in July I could not have foreseen my comments being removed the way they have been now. I am aware that this thread was restricted only to those who log in. I am sorry about that, apparently this is a one way communication. I could suggest an alternative, but I think that having mentioned an alternative is one of the reasons that had my comments have disappeared completely, so I’ll refrain from mentioning alternatives.

I am copying “Teachers too”s comment (which was posted here: Web Link). This comment articulates parts of the thoughts I was having back in July. I am hoping that copying a comment which was not edited will help me in my sincere effort to conform here and have this comment remained untouched.

“Teachers too” wrote: “The school board is responsible for approving policy and directing the superintendent, currently Kevin Skelly, and they have been woefully incapable of these basic responsibilities. Increasingly absent are defensive excuses in this forum about how they are volunteers, good-people, and other emptiness designed to divert attention from how harmful the school board and Kevin Skelly have been to the PAUSD brand. Teachers are perhaps the biggest part of this particular thread. They are the most important adult at school in a student’s life and they have the most contact time with the student, and that includes the supervision and monitoring for the student’s well-being. In some of these bullying cases, the teacher has been accused, just like the principal, of failing to protect the student from bullying. In short, bullying has everything to do about teachers. It’s quite basic. Union folks have been eerily quiet about this whole mess. I think part is explained by a deal to remain quiet and collect raises, you know, don’t rock the boat and you’ll get what you want. I think the other part is that the union doesn’t know what to do, judging by the past few years of watching former PAEA president Triona Gogarty and current president Teri Baldwin publicly represent teachers at PAUSD board meetings, focusing of pay raises and nothing else. PAEA is one of the most powerful forces in PAUSD, nothing gets done without Skelly first asking for approval, and that includes anti-bullying policy. You would think that paying all these people more would result in the resolution of PAUSD problems, but it has had the opposite effect. Will the board’s 5-0 vote in 12 hours make Skelly a better leader? Well, did the 5-0 votes last month and in the spring to give raises to the teachers and principals make them better at what they do? They are all part of the organization, they are the people we pay to care for our kids, and they are all part of the problem. Until they recognize that and stop playing the game of silence, then only then will we be on the way to improvement. “

Let me copy, again, the last sentence of “Teachers too”s comment – “… they are the people we pay to care for our kids, and they are all part of the problem. Until they recognize that and stop playing the game of silence, then only then will we be on the way to improvement. “
This goes back to my points about modeling the virtues of free speech and exercising academic freedom.

Wishing you, again, great Holiday!

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Before – Posted on July 13, 2013

Posted by Almost done with PAUSD, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, 49 minutes ago

Speaking of honesty,

@ Peter Carpenter,

How come you usually post as a resident of Atherton, bug when the topic is SFO airplane noise, all of a sudden you post as living in Menlo Park? Strange indeed.

After:

Posted by Almost done with PAUSD, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:23 am

[Post removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
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Before – posted on July 13, 3013

Posted by insider, a resident of another community, 30 minutes ago

Phil Winston’s departure was welcomed by nearly all PAHS teachers. Only thing better would be that it happened sooner. He made a mockery of school policies Re: cheating, grading, & attendance. Teachers were compelled by Winston to ignore misbehaviors & dishonesty. If parents went to him to complain that their precious darlings were not really D students, based on classroom exams, Phil ordered teachers to change the grades. He was working the parent popularity contest at the expense of honest kids who worked hard, did their assignments & had parents mature & responsible enough to let their kids learn from their own mistakes. Some kids were notorious plagiarists & cheats, but Phil sided with the whiny parents & eliminated consequences & ordered grade changes. Mr. Phil, the fix-it man. Good riddance. PAHS lost some good teachers because of this clown, who now hopes to stay in the district as a teacher. Surprised he isn’t hitting up the powerful parents whose kids got into better-than-they-deserved colleges for some soft job as a reward for his collusion.

After:

Posted by insider, a resident of another community
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 am

Phil Winston’s departure was welcomed by nearly all PAHS teachers. Only thing better would be that it happened sooner. He made a mockery of school policies Re: cheating, grading, & attendance. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

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Before-  Posted on July 13, 3013

Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, 13 minutes ago
Peter Carpenter is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online

“Speaking of honesty,

@ Peter Carpenter,

How come you usually post as a resident of Atherton, bug when the topic is SFO airplane noise, all of a sudden you post as living in Menlo Park? Strange indeed.”

You are not paying attention – I ALWAYS post using my real name (and your’s is?) and as an Atherton resident.

Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, 14 hours ago.

Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, 15 hours ago

etc, etc, etc.

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Thread Titled: School board OKs new calendar, staff raises

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/11/school-board-oks-new-calendar-staff-raises#comment_form

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@Michele Dauber – you wrote: “… Four years ago, I posted here that this was a north south issue. That the school board simply did not care about providing equity to Gunn. The publisher deleted that statement then as inflammatory. Let’s see if he still thinks I am wrong after last night.”

Thank you. I cannot understand the rationale behind the editing/censoring. At some point it became clear to me that the editing practice actually harms the chances of issues being exposed. No correction is possible without a serious analysts of the infrastructure that enables the occurrences of which we are aware. Those occurrences are most likely only the tip of the iceberg, as was mentioned in the excellent editorial accompanying the info about the OCR presence in PAUSD.

That was part of the reasons that had me address Mr. Dauber back in March calling to form a Shadow PAUSD Board. (Web Link).

Yesterday I addressed to Mr. Dauber on my blog, asking to reconsider forming Shadow PAUSD Board – Web Link

(Shadow Cabinet – Web Link)

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
1 hour ago

[Post removed.]

Comment – I do not understand why my post was removed. However, it was not removed completely. A trace was left that I posted (unlike the threads above and below). 

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Thread Titled: A plea to Village Fool

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/05/a-plea-to-village-fool

I tried to post 3 times after I posted the first one. All were removed without a trace I ever posted. I am listing the removed comments last to first.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.
@Anonymous – Thank you, again.
I tried to post another comment, that comment disappeared completely. I then tried rephrase and post another one – same. Gone without a trace that I ever posted. (I have posted those two removed comments. I’ll NOT provide the link now. I’m trying to comply with the UNWRITTEN terms of use).
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” – George Orwell.

I am using this space to post a link to a past thread which I think relates to a very recent thread which was locked, completely.
The past thread: Web Link

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

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Before  -

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Anonymous – Thank you, again, for your very kind post.
Let me try, again. I’ll try to rephrase, since my second comment disappeared without a trace that I posted. Where is George Orwell when I need him? My removed comment can be found here, along several other samples of editing/censoring(?) – (Web Link)

Ms. Mendoza responded to my open letter to her after she addressed PAUSD board on Oct 8th saying:

“This is the way they work. If they do not talk about it, maybe people will think that the problem does not exist.” PA ONLINE link: Web Link-

I find this quote to be a great one. I hope you can see why I posted it here. I can not write, sorry. I am trying to comply with the UNWRITTEN Terms of use. I can try to do that here only the Pavlovian way.

BTW – That Oct 8Th board meeting gained a new perspective after it became known that PAUSD is under a CDE investigation. I was appalled by the response to Ms. Mendoza. The response had me write the letter. I’ll elaborate about that on my blog, where I do not have to use Pavlovian training/guessing.

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

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The disclaimer below applies –

This  thread was a very pleasant surprise.

THANK you, Anonymous, for your very kind support!

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Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
42 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Anonymous – Thanks again for your very kind post.
Let me add -
The moderator did not respond to my question above. I have asked this question many times before, in various ways and situations, at times regarding my own comments in threads I started. BTW – several of threads I started, although “hidden”, generated a decent amount of views. As far as I know, views are nice for a publishing entity.

Not only were my questions never answered before, but it did happen several times that my question disappeared completely without a trace that I’d ever posted. I believe that I always asked in a polite, civil manner.

This thread is restricted now. If logging in stops you from responding, you are very welcome to respond on my blog (Web Link), or email me – forvillagefool@gmail.com

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

Report Objectionable Content

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Declaimer – This thread was a surprise for me. A nice surprise. I responded the way I saw fit.
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Thread titled: Merrill Newman returns home

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/07/merrill-newman-returns-home

Before:

Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
5 minutes ago

Mr. Newman: you should of never gone to North Korea. Thanks for wasting the taxpayers money! You are lucky to be home and unhurt.

Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
2 minutes ago

Mr Newman, you should of never set foot in North Korea. You are lucky to be home and unhurt. Thanks for wasting the taxpayers money.

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Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

[Post removed.]

Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

Mr Newman, you should of never set foot in North Korea. You are lucky to be home and unhurt. [Post removed.]

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Thread titled: Thanks from the DPRK

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/03/thanks-from-the-dprk

Before:

Thanks from the DPRK

Original post made by Kim Jong-un on Dec 3, 2013

Thanks, weekly, for deleting the erroneous and inflammatory comments regarding the DPRK. Newman and Bae are enemies of the state and the inflammatory comments by many of the posters served no useful purpose, so it is wonderful that you censored, whoops, I mean removed those comments. Perhaps you can track down theseosters and have them re-educated.
Again the sincerest thanks from the DPRK. My donation check should be arriving shortly

Posted by Kim jong-on, a resident of another community
3 minutes ago

In my excitement to shower you with praise, weekly staff, I forgot the link to the thread with the vil comments about the DPRK
Web Link

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Thread titled:” Proposed bullying policies to be reviewed”.

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/02/proposed-bullying-policies-to-be-reviewed

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Posted by Paly Dad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
6 hours ago

I have no problem with contributing through donations or taxes. What I object to is the incompetence of Kevin Skelly and his management team, including especially Katherine Baker the former Terman principal who was promoted after the OCR found that the school under her leadership violated the civil rights of a disabled student by allowing her to be bullied extensively. Because of this incompetent leadership we now have legal fees, five different ongoing state and federal investigations, and private lawsuits filed with more coming.

I don’t begrudge teachers a living wage. I begrudge wasting my hard-earned money on preventable litigation. Katherine Baker should have been dismissed not promoted. Is there no accountability? Why is Charles Young still drawing a PAUSD paycheck after he fouled up the Paly “rape culture” Title IX scenario, the Terman bullying, the Duveneck bullying, and the Jordan CFS case? How many screw ups does it take to get fired? How much of my money has been wasted on Charles Young’s almost comical ineptness? Why would I donate to PIE or pay a bond so that Charles Young can screw up? I am sure Laurie Reynolds got a nice new kitchen or room addition out of it, but what are we getting?

And don’t EVEN get me started on the PR flack. Please God all I want for Christmas is a decent superintendent.

Posted by Ruined brand, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
4 hours ago

PAUSD is rolling in the money and everyone, except students, are getting their share. The board will be voting 5-0 on December 10 to give Kevin Skelly another $10,000 bonus just for the heck of it and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Except never donate to PiE or vote for another parcel tax again.

Posted by PalyDad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
2 hours ago

Please do not give Kevin Skelly a bonus. Why would he get a bonus? I would like to drag my employer into five separate federal and state investigations and then show up with my hand out for a bonus check. This is like an Onion story. Superintendent draws federal investigators, allows bullying of handicapped, state investigates special ed noncompliance, parents complain in droves, boy accused of having contagious disease but doesn’t sues for discrimination, Super fails to do a damn thing about RAPE CULTURE at high school, Super hides fact of findings against district from board, super enters agreement with feds he then fails to complete on a timely basis, what in God’s name has to happen? Super gets drunk, dances with lampshade on head at board meeting? What would he have to do to NOT get a bonus.

Empty your pockets, Palo Alto. It’s Skelly Time.

After:

Posted by Paly Dad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Dec 1, 2013 at 6:35 pm

I have no problem with contributing through donations or taxes. What I object to is the incompetence of Kevin Skelly and his management team, including especially Katherine Baker the former Terman principal who was promoted after the OCR found that the school under her leadership violated the civil rights of a disabled student by allowing her to be bullied extensively. Because of this incompetent leadership we now have legal fees, five different ongoing state and federal investigations, and private lawsuits filed with more coming.

I don’t begrudge teachers a living wage. I begrudge wasting my hard-earned money on preventable litigation. Katherine Baker should have been dismissed not promoted. Is there no accountability? Why is Charles Young still drawing a PAUSD paycheck after he fouled up the Paly “rape culture” Title IX scenario, the Terman bullying, the Duveneck bullying, and the Jordan CFS case? [Portion removed.]

Posted by Ruined brand, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 1, 2013 at 8:23 pm

PAUSD is rolling in the money and everyone, except students, are getting their share. The board will be voting 5-0 on December 10 to give Kevin Skelly another $10,000 bonus just for the heck of it and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Except never donate to PiE or vote for another parcel tax again.

Posted by PalyDad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
23 hours ago

Please do not give Kevin Skelly a bonus. Why would he get a bonus? I would like to drag my employer into five separate federal and state investigations and then show up with my hand out for a bonus check. This is like an Onion story. Superintendent draws federal investigators, allows bullying of handicapped, state investigates special ed noncompliance, parents complain in droves, boy accused of having contagious disease but doesn’t sues for discrimination, Super fails to do a damn thing about RAPE CULTURE at high school, Super hides fact of findings against district from board, super enters agreement with feds he then fails to complete on a timely basis, what in God’s name has to happen? [Portion removed.]

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Thread titled: gunn, Paly graduates reflect on their high school experiences

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/11/15/gunn-paly-graduates-reflect-on-their-high-school-experiences

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@ hello, this is the internet – I was sorry to see that your hilarious notes about the PR lady were removed. Frankly, in the PR lady’s defense, I think that this is an impossible job. This is an UN-PRable situation.
As to your removed post -
“This is Sparta” ended his/her post in the latest editorial,stating:
I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

I ended my post (Web Link) stating: I hope that my reference here will not be treated differently from other references. let’s see.

Both posts were not touched. Maybe this is a way to have your hilarious post back?

I have posted few samples of PA online editing/censoring(?) in my blog, here – Web Link

@This is Sparta (from – Web Link): I hope you do not mind me using your phrasing, it is by far better than mine.

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
5 hours ago

@ hello, this is the internet – I was sorry to see that your hilarious notes about the PR lady were removed. Frankly, in the PR lady’s defense, I think that this is an impossible job. This is an UN-PRable situation.

[Portion removed.]

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Thread titled: District refutes Duveneck Elementary bullying complaint

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/print/story/2013/06/14/district-refutes-duveneck-elementary-bullying-complaint

Before:

1. I saw J-school dropout  comment before it was removed.

Posted by J-school dropout, a resident of Community Center
on Jun 14, 2013 at 8:32 am

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

2.   I tried to post it four times. All disappeared instantaneously. I am pasting here one sample of the four attempts. At some point I logged in to be sure that there is no way to mistake me posting in multiple names.

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago
village fool is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online

@J school dropout – I am taking the liberty to post your first deleted comment. I hope you do not mind. Unfortunately, I did not read the your other deleted posts. I do hope this comment will not be deleted, I am confident I have not posted using multiple names.

J school dropout wrote: “I have to agree with “Alert reader” — a better headline would have been “District asserts it followed correct procedures in Duveneck bullying complaint, but lacks any documentation.” I wonder whether your reporter understands enough about the law and district policy to write an informative story, since not following the UCP means that the district didn’t follow either the law or its own policy.

I think censoring criticism of the Weekly’s reporting is the wrong response, although since it’s the Weekly’s forum it’s the editor’s prerogative. It’s a little odd, however, to criticize Skelly for being defensive rather than improving when the Weekly is exhibiting the same behavior.

Beyond the Weekly’s reporting difficulties, this story is another example of the cost to the public and the school district of the school board’s acquiescence in Skelly’s stonewalling of any inquiry into what is going on here. We have a district administration that repeatedly flouts the law, seems not to understand or care what its obligations are, and hurts kids in the process.”

Report Objectionable Content

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3. After my posting were removed without a trace that I ever posted,  I posted the following question:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago

@editor – May I ask why my postings were removed without a trace? I tried to post 3 times in the past half hour. I copied the first deleted post of “J school dropout”. I have specified that I have copied the post, I used . The reason given for removing ‘J school dropout” comments was that they were posted under one using multiple names. My third deleted posting was done after I logged in, I am confident I did not use multiple names.

My comments were removed instantly, without a trace that I ever posted. I do hope that this question will not be removed this way.

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4. After #3 above disappeared completely I posted the following:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago

@editor – May I ask? This is I my forth attempt to post. All the previous attempts were removed, instantly, without a trace. I am not specifying now any context of my previous attempts to post. The instantaneous removal gives a very uncomfortable feel, added to the fact there there was no trace left.

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After:

Currently (Nov/13) non of the above can be found.

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Thread Titled: Open address to Ms. Mendoza, the lady who addressed the PAUSD board on 10/8/13

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/10/13/open-address-to-ms-mendoza-the-lady-who-brought-the-office-of-civil-rights-ocr-to-pausd-and-few-related-thoughts-

Before:
Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
4 minutes ago

@Paly parent 2 – Thank you for noticing the – “deleting out of existence”. It is not only about me, and has been going on for a long time. More so in the past few months.
I truly believe that schools issues can not be addressed without everything being exposed. Yes – the impartial investigation I mentioned, over and over.
There is no way to disconnect the infrastructure that enabled the lack of accountability (for example) from the rest of the culture.
Quite a while ago I came to conclusion that the editing here actually harm the chances of exposing issues that are crucial for all the students. At some point I decided to voice my opinion in a place where I can not be “deleted”. Thus my blog. I elaborated about the the letter above in my blog – Web Link
I found the fact that all my references to my blog were removed without a trace that I ever posted quite appalling, especially since others do that all the time – I did not observe others to be “deleted” this way.

I posted the letter above here since I wanted to try to make sure that Ms. Mendoza will see that. I believe that support and acknowledgment can not be underestimated, especially when one experienced bullying.

After:
Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
20 minutes ago

[Portion removed.]
I truly believe that schools issues can not be addressed without everything being exposed. Yes – the impartial investigation I mentioned, over and over.
There is no way to disconnect the infrastructure that enabled the lack of accountability (for example) from the rest of the culture.
Quite a while ago I came to conclusion that the editing here actually harm the chances of exposing issues that are crucial for all the students. At some point I decided to voice my opinion in a place where I can not be “deleted”. Thus my blog. I elaborated about the the letter above in my blog – Web Link
[Portion removed.]

I posted the letter above here since I wanted to try to make sure that Ms. Mendoza will see that. I believe that support and acknowledgment can not be underestimated, especially when one experienced bullying.

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Thread titled:” Private giving to public schools widens the gap between rich and poor.”

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/09/05/private-giving-to-public-schools-widens-the-gap-between-rich-and-poor

Before:

Santa Clara Prof. posted twice (I noticed). The first post  disappeared completely. I must admit that I could not understand the reason for removing the first comment without a trace that it was ever posted.

The second comment, in response to the fact that the  first comment disappeared, was:

Posted by Santa Clara prof, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, 11 minutes ago

Does the editor have a hidden anti-feminist agenda? Surprising.

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After:

Santa Clara Prof can be found only once now (10/31/2013):

Posted by Santa Clara Prof, a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 8, 2013 at 10:42 am

[Post removed.]

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Thread Titled: Family files claim against school district

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2013/07/09/family-files-claim-against-school-district-

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago

@editor -

1.- “D lamp” was reminded, above, of a political ordeal and provided a link. I can not recall the exact link, providing another one – here -Web Link

2.- “how odd” posted one word – Why?

3.- I responded suggesting the possibility of recalling controversial politics practices.

4. – This whole dialog was removed. “how odd”‘s posting- why? was removed completely, no trace.

5.- I do not know what Erlichman posted – I may be able to guess.

6.- I must admit that I can not grasp the consideration of removing. It seems to me that the considerations manifested recently reflect the atmosphere the majority is trying to impose on those who do not conform.

After:

Post gone. (I edited, above Erlichman – in my post it was another name, mistakenly, which i corrected in a following post which was removed as well).

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Thread Titled:  @recent and frequent commentators – will you kindly share why you stop posting when threads become available only to those who are logged in?

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/index.php?i=3&d=1&t=21058

Before:

Posted by nice haircut, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, 20 minutes ago

The Weekly has a definite, explicit perspective taken in editorials both on the substantive issues and on the appropriate procedural ways to pursue them. Edits are often made to posts not when they violate any terms of service (i.e., not disrespectful, not profane, not quoting anyone, etc) but when they argue points that the Weekly may agree with in principle but thinks that they exceed the bounds of what the public will find acceptable. For example, the Weekly persistently deleted all posts referring to the fact that the gym donor is an anti-gay bigot who was one of the largest donors in the county to Prop 8. People are very grateful for the Paly gym and the topic was adjudged to be I think not one that the Weekly wanted to be seen to be allowing to get much play. If Mr. Peery was to withdraw his funding as a result of being called a bigot in the Weekly, the Weekly didn’t want to be blamed for that loss of $20 million dollars. And so every comment comparing accepting $20 million dollars from a committed anti-gay bigot to accepting $20 million from an avowed anti-Semite or an avowed white supremacist was deleted. This even happened after a gay Paly student posted. That thread was locked, comments decrying bigotry were deleted, and the topic went away. There was never a public discussion of whether or not the school district ought to accept $20 million from someone with such views. And then of course the same donor gave to a playground for disabled children, was publicly sainted, and that was the end of any conversation. But this is the same Weekly publisher who withdrew his endorsement from a judicial candidate for giving a far far far smaller amount of money $500 — to Prop,. 8 for having values inconsistent with a public role. So when it is $20 million, we have evidently crossed the threshold into “shhhhh.” Another, similar example is the refusal of the Weekly to allow its education reporter to be criticized in the forums even though her coverage is usually not very good or fair to either the district or its critics. There is little in the way of fact checking or real reporting, stories often require corrections which are made quietly rather than publicly. Critique is not allowed, although that seems like the minimum expected of what is essentially an electronic “letters to the editor.” Criticism of the board that becomes harsh is also deleted, even though they are public figures and elected officials and even though quite a bit harsher criticism of the City Council is permitted. The custom in Palo Alto is to treat the school board as girls and the City Council as boys — the critique is gendered. Criticism of the board must be quite a bit more genteel than of the Council which is more rough and tumble. Another example is the fear exhibited by the paper of any accurate reporting of the role of Mandy Lowell Munger in the last board election which was quite important and not reported at all. This entire post will be deleted shortly so I hope you see it quickly. It will be disappeared including the fact that it ever happened. This is an example of that phenomenon.

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Posted by nice haircut, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jun 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm

The Weekly has a definite, explicit perspective taken in editorials both on the substantive issues and on the appropriate procedural ways to pursue them. Edits are often made to posts not when they violate any terms of service (i.e., not disrespectful, not profane, not quoting anyone, etc) but when they argue points that the Weekly may agree with in principle but thinks that they exceed the bounds of what the public will find acceptable. For example, the Weekly persistently deleted all posts referring to the fact that the gym donor is an [portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff] who was one of the largest donors in the county to Prop 8. People are very grateful for the Paly gym and the topic was adjudged to be I think not one that the Weekly wanted to be seen to be allowing to get much play. If Mr. Peery was to withdraw his funding as a result of being called a [portion removed] in the Weekly, the Weekly didn’t want to be blamed for that loss of $20 million dollars. [Portion removed.] This even happened after a gay Paly student posted. There was never a public discussion of whether or not the school district ought to accept $20 million from someone with such views. And then of course the same donor gave to a playground for disabled children, was publicly sainted, and that was the end of any conversation. But this is the same Weekly publisher who withdrew his endorsement from a judicial candidate for giving a far far far smaller amount of money $500 — to Prop,. 8 for having values inconsistent with a public role. So when it is $20 million, we have evidently crossed the threshold into “shhhhh.” [Portion removed.] Criticism of the board that becomes harsh is also deleted, even though they are public figures and elected officials and even though quite a bit harsher criticism of the City Council is permitted. The custom in Palo Alto is to treat the school board as girls and the City Council as boys — the critique is gendered. Criticism of the board must be quite a bit more genteel than of the Council which is more rough and tumble. Another example is the fear exhibited by the paper of any accurate reporting of the role of Mandy Lowell Munger in the last board election which was quite important and not reported at all. This entire post will be deleted shortly so I hope you see it quickly. It will be disappeared including the fact that it ever happened. This is an example of that phenomenon.

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