This page is about the censoring/editing of the Palo Alto Online.  Way back I came to the conclusion that the censoring actually harms the chances of issues being exposed (not to mention other serious issues tightly connected/related to censoring).

I decided to post the occurrences of censoring that I’ve happened to note. Obviously, I do not see everything. Obviously, I cannot see everything.

At some point I decided to start  posting comments which I did not see before being edited (only the “after”). Obviously, missing a comment which has vanished does not enable me to post even the “after”, since I have missed the fact that the comment has been posted.

And – Here’s a list of threads which were locked completely. I am listing the threads’ titles, subtitles and links. (work in progress):

1. In secret, school board weighs not cooperating with federal agency

Board vice president says Office for Civil Rights is ‘strong arming’ district into adopting new policies

by Palo Alto Weekly staff / Palo Alto Weekly

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2013/07/12/in-secret-school-board-weighs-not-cooperating-with-federal-agency

2. In-depth report: How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying

How one family’s willingness to reveal their school bullying ordeal exposed the need for change in the Palo Alto school district

by Terri Lobdell / Palo Alto Weekly

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2013/06/14/in-depth-report-out-of-the-shadows

3. More PAUSD turnover

Original post made by Better or worse on Jun 17, 2014

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/17/more-pausd-turnover

4. Why is Town Square So Out of Sync With Dominant Free Speech Norms of the Internet; or, is this Forum Not a Forum Anymore Due to Heavy-Handed Editing of Posts

Original post made by village idiot on Sep 9, 2013

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/09/09/why-is-town-square-so-out-of-sync-with-dominant-free-speech-norms-of-the-internet-or-is-this-forum-not-a-forum-anymore-due-to-heavy-handed-editing-of-posts

5. A plea to Village Fool

Original post made by Anonymous on Dec 5, 2013

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/05/a-plea-to-village-fool

6. In unanimous comments, school board challenges federal agency

Original post made on Aug 1, 2014

link”http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/06/in-unanimous-comments-school-board-challenges-federal-agency

7. Invitation only candidates meeting

Original post made by Rupert of henzau on Aug 1, 2014

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/08/01/invitation-only-candidates-meeting

(to be updated/work in progress. I did not forget Curious’ threads. I think that Curious’  locked threads call for a separate section, thus  reorganizing the list above, and eventually reorganizing this page which is way too long. I could not foresee the length of this page when I started it.  I’ll try to get to that as soon as I can).

You are very welcome to email to me comments posted online, before being edited, or prior to being totally removed (vanished). Please include link and title of thread. Thanks!!!

forvillagefool@gmail.com

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Thread Titled:  The nettlesome path to helping our teens

Link http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/11/15/guest-opinion-the-nettlesome-path-to-helping-our-teens

Before:

Posted by Blame game
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
6 hours ago

Mark,

Your letter here is a contradictory mess. And your assertions reek of arrogance. I know the words mess and arrogance are tough to read, but I hope they remain intact from the consors reach. Like you, I was there, too. On the one hand, you say don’t blame the schools and individual students, and I agree with that, but then you give in to your core weakness of blaming everyone and everything else, from the so-called public which would have the audacity to contact school leaders in a time of crisis, to a number of staff members who have underperformed in your eyes. Your solution is that we reduce class sizes, stop assemblies, and basically ask less of our staff. I guess that is one way to look at it, but you’ve written the real solution already, and I don’t think anyone will disagree with it: our schools are a mirror of us. You, Mark, are the us. So am I. You should work more on you.

After:

Posted by Blame game
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
6 hours ago

Mark,

[Portion removed.] Like you, I was there, too. On the one hand, you say don’t blame the schools and individual students, and I agree with that, but then you give in to your core weakness of blaming everyone and everything else, from the so-called public which would have the audacity to contact school leaders in a time of crisis, to a number of staff members who have underperformed in your eyes. Your solution is that we reduce class sizes, stop assemblies, and basically ask less of our staff. I guess that is one way to look at it, but you’ve written the real solution already, and I don’t think anyone will disagree with it: our schools are a mirror of us. [Portion removed.]

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Thread Titled: School district OCR legal bills top $366,000

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/10/30/palo-alto-school-boards-ocr-spending-tops-366000

Before:

Posted by George Orwell
a resident of East Palo Alto
2 hours ago

George Orwell is a registered user.

Well Done. Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

Dear Queen or King of this virtual world,
This is my second attempt to post my sincere compliment. I hope that my comment will not disappear again, as it is important to give credit where credit is due.

After:

Vanished.

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Before:

Posted by George Orwell
a resident of East Palo Alto
7 hours ago
George Orwell is a registered user.
Well Done. Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

After:

Gone, vanished.

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Before:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community

16 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.

Due to repeated violations of our Terms of Use, comments from this poster are automatically removed. Why?

After:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community
on Nov 1, 2014 at 10:55 am

village fool is a registered user.

@Anonymous22 -

Thank you!

Comment: This is beyond me, usually it is the other way around .  My Thank you! was removed automatically “Due to repeated violations of our Terms of Use”. Pressing the “Why” explained that I could email to ask to be removed from the removed posters’ list. I do not know why I was automatically removed. I did not email to ask to be removed from the removed list.

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 Before:

Posted by JLS mom of 2
a resident of JLS Middle School
1 hour ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

As I posted above, “Graff billed just on the Resolution alone: 7.3 hours on 5/21; 9 hours on 5/22; 9.9 hours on 5/27; 10.5 hours on 5/29; 10.8 hours on 5/30; 9.2 hours on 6/2; 12.8 hours on 6/3; 11.2 hours on 6/5; 12.2 hours on 6/17.”

That totals 92.9 hours. At 275/hour that is over $25,000 just for those days alone.

For 2 pages.

According to “Retired Teacher” that was “money well spent.”

We’ll find out on Tuesday.

After:

Posted by JLS mom of 2
a resident of JLS Middle School
on Oct 30, 2014 at 8:05 pm

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

[Post removed.]

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Before:

Posted by Jason S.
a resident of Greenmeadow
1 minutes ago
Jason S. is a registered user.

Clarification: the headline says that the school board’s OCR spending tops $366,000. But actually that was the school district’s spending as a whole. Only $22K of that amount was for the school board’s OCR resolution. The remaining $344K was for dealing with the various OCR cases, complying with OCR’s requests for thousands of pages of information and dozens of interviews with teachers and students, creating new policies and procedures, responding to public records acts requests, and providing training for district staff. That’s not the school board’s spending, that’s the school district’s spending. Only 6% of the total amount was spent for the OCR resolution.

By the way, it’s worth noting that the school district is allowed to charge for the direct costs it incurs in responding to Public Records Acts requests – but PAUSD does not currently do so. Now that’s something one can legitimately point at as a waste of money by PAUSD – not recovering its costs to copy many thousands of pages of documents.

After:

Posted by Jason S.
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Oct 30, 2014 at 11:08 pm

Jason S. is a registered user.

Clarification: the headline says that the school board’s OCR spending tops $366,000. But actually that was the school district’s spending as a whole. Only $22K of that amount was for the school board’s OCR resolution. The remaining $344K was for dealing with the various OCR cases, complying with OCR’s requests for thousands of pages of information and dozens of interviews with teachers and students, creating new policies and procedures, responding to public records acts requests, and providing training for district staff. That’s not the school board’s spending, that’s the school district’s spending. Only 6% of the total amount was spent for the OCR resolution.

[Portion removed due to inaccuracy.]

 

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Thread Titled: Editing afoot by school candidate

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/10/24/around-town

Before:

Posted by parent2
a resident of College Terrace
14 minutes ago

parent2 is a registered user.

I looked at Catherine Foster’s public resume on LinkedIn.

Web Link

I was really surprised when I compared it to her campaign resume which is totally undated. The positions listed without dates on the campaign site were held for a short time 20 years or more ago. Foster should put dates on her campaign resume. She should be more transparent than this.

Most people think it’s more important what a candidate has done in recent years than 20 years ago in a first job after graduation. Not sure why that’s even on her site.

After:

Posted by parent2
a resident of College Terrace
8 hours ago

parent2 is a registered user.

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

Comment:  Seriously?  IP addresses? I may  try to write sometime my understandings of the Weekly’s terms of use: Though should always agree with censoring, Though should never disagree with Weekly etc.

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Thread Title: Editorial: A sadly misguided board

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/06/editorial-a-sadly-misguided-board

Before:

Posted by Can’t wait
a resident of Charleston Gardens
13 hours ago

For new school board

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Posted by Me too
a resident of Barron Park
25 minutes ago

Yes, so they can be convinced as Max has once they see all the relevant information.

After:

Posted by Can’t wait
a resident of Charleston Gardens
18 hours ago

For new school board

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Posted by  Me too
a resident of Barron Park
5 hours ago

[Post removed.]

Comment: I have posted below other edited comments which I happened to notice when this thread was published- June 2014. The comment above was edited on Oct/12/2014.

This page calls for serious re-org, including  a separate list of threads which were locked completely, a list of Curious’ locked threads,  and probably  a new section – vanishing threads.  Unfortunately, this re-org will need to wait. 

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Thread Titled: Geometry in middle school?

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2012/10/12/geometry-in-middle-school#comment_form

Before:

Posted by village fool

a resident of another community
20 minutes ago

@True Blue -
You must have sinned. The why? explains that should you make an effort to correct your behavior the restriction will be removed on a trail basis.

May I suggest a posting that will probably show effort to improve, and may remove you from the black list?:
* The Weekly site never censors for view point.

While I am curious to read your posts (here and on other threads), I am not going to loggin on order to do that.

I have posted on my blog many samples of censoring (Before & After). Link: Web Link

After:

Vanished.

Comment – I read the terms of use. I could not find any mentioning that posting an opinion about the censoring violates the terms of use.

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Thread Titled: Editorial: Terry Godfrey, Ken Dauber for Palo Alto school board

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/10/03/editorial-terry-godfrey-ken-dauber-for-palo-alto-school-board

Before:

Posted by George Orwell
a resident of East Palo Alto
2 hours ago
George Orwell is a registered user.

Well done! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

After:

Vanished.

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Before:

Posted by Grandmother of 7
a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

[Post removed.]

After:

Vanished.

Comment: I saw the posting of ‘Grandmother of 7′  when it was listed as – post removed. At some point  Grandma disappeared completely.  I hope she is in good health. 

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Thread Titled: Explain the “new” Town Forum

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/09/20/explain-the-new-town-forum#comment_form

Before:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

I cannot answer your question. I posted the following comment earlier this morning on the thread dealing with Cell Towers -Web Link. My comment vanished. It can be found along other removed comments on the link I privided below.

Here is the vanished comment:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community
12 minutes ago
I have read the terms of use. I think that this comment does not violate any of the terms of use.

I could not find any mentioning that expressing one’s opinion about the Weekly’s practice of censoring content/view points violates the terms of use.
I have posted four comments which were removed from this thread on my blog on a page I dedicated to the censoring issues here:

Link – Web Link

After:

Gone, vanished.

Comment: my  comment disappeared extremely fast. Maybe the new policies came along improved censoring mechanisms?

 

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Thread Titled: Cell tower on verge of approval for Little League field

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/09/19/cell-tower-on-verge-of-approval-for-little-league-field

Before:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community
13 minutes ago
I have read the terms of use. I think that this comment does not violate any of the terms of use.

I could not find any mentioning that expressing one’s opinion about the Weekly’s practice of censoring content/view points violates the terms of use.
I have posted four comments which were removed from this thread on my blog on a page I dedicated to the censoring issues here:

Link – Web Link

After:

Gone, vanished

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Before:

Posted by PA Weakly
a resident of Charleston Gardens
9 minutes ago
PA Weakly is a registered user.

Parent:

Truth will never be available via this forum. The Weekly deletes any and all posts that are intelligent enough to prove their bias. Note my last two posts were deleted and I am apparently now on “probation” because I do not share their views. They will leave the one where I call them out directly so they can refute my claims. There was nothing in my posts attacking anyone (certainly nothing like some of the attacks above) but the Weekly deleted them because they did not match their own agenda.

So they have successfully muted an “opponent”.

If you want real information email noballparkcelltower@gmail.com. I promise you will be treated respectfully and your email address will not be shared nor counted as those “against” the tower. We are extremely ethical people, despite what the PA Weekly’s censorship suggests.

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Posted by Robert
a resident of another community
32 minutes ago

>We are extremely ethical people, despite what the PA Weekly’s censorship suggests.

I don’t think anyone out there thinks you are unethical, just a screw loose with too much time on your hands.

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Posted by PA Weakly
a resident of Charleston Gardens
2 minutes ago
PA Weakly is a registered user.

See? Completely disrespectful and useless comment, but the Weekly will ignore it. In fact, they like it.

Thank you, Robert, for your thoughtful and educated comment. (Not!).

The Weekly is all about the dumbing down – just look at their advertising, that’s what makes them money! No need to think.

After:

Posted by PA Weakly
a resident of Charleston Gardens

10 hours ago
PA Weakly is a registered user.
Due to violations of our Terms of Use, comments from this poster are only visible to registered users who are logged in. Register or Log in. Why?

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Posted by Robert
a resident of another community
9 hours ago

[Post removed.]

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Posted by PA Weakly
a resident of Charleston Gardens

9 hours ago
PA Weakly is a registered user.
Due to violations of our Terms of Use, comments from this poster are only visible to registered users who are logged in. Register or Log in. Why?

Comment – I have posted above a sequence of 3 comments. The timing of the comments posted before being censored reflects the time I saved those, not the actual timing of the comments being posted online. 

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Before:

Posted by PA Weakly
a resident of Charleston Gardens
27 minutes ago
PA Weakly is a registered user.

Mr. Recycle:

Do you know what the cell tower opposition feels makes the ballpark historic? I assume you do because you know that this case is invalid. Please share with all so they can benefit from your knowledge of the controversy. Or, admit you have no idea and are just looking for a way to promote your own NIMBY views.

After:

Posted by PA Weakly
a resident of Charleston Gardens
12 hours ago

PA Weakly is a registered user.

[Post removed.]

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Thread Titled: Candidates for Palo Alto school board debate the issues

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/09/12/candidates-for-palo-alto-school-board-debate-the-issues

Before:

Posted by George Orwell
a resident of East Palo Alto
10 hours ago

George Orwell is a registered user.

Well done! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

After:

gone, Vanished.

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Before:

Posted by Wondering?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
9 minutes ago

> Some students are currently struggling as it is in English

And who might those students be? Are these recent immigrants? Are these VTP students? Are these students in all three school divisions (elementary, middle, high)?

And from where does this belief originate? Does the STAR English test scores show these problems? What problems are some students having?

Could someone explain?

After:

Posted by Wondering?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
17 hours ago

> Some students are currently struggling as it is in English

[Portion removed.]

And from where does this belief originate? Does the STAR English test scores show these problems? What problems are some students having?

Could someone explain?

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Before:

Posted by Leadership
a resident of Gunn High School
44 minutes ago

If it weren’t for the OCR involvement in our district, the sped department would still be pretending as if 504s didn’t exist. That’s a pretty big deal. Our district’s willingness to put money into attacking the OCR rather than self-examination and improvement in light of such a serious dereliction of duty should be a subject of concern for CAC.

If Foster is looking at this issue purely from the naval-gazing of the board in going after the OCR, then sped parents have every right to question the support of an organization that represents their interests. That’s not “picking on” anyone.

By the way, I am looking to see whether candidates can reason through and express an opinion that ISN’T set in stone. We’ve had too much of people at the top prioritizing how they look above making course corrections. Intelligent people should be able to change their minds based on more input. Dauber for sure is the kind of person who would keep making course corrections. I think Foster would be, too, so I am going to continue to watch, as I said, I take back my original critique.

After:

Posted by Leadership
a resident of Gunn High School
18 hours ago

If it weren’t for the OCR involvement in our district, the sped department would still be pretending as if 504s didn’t exist. That’s a pretty big deal. Our district’s willingness to put money into attacking the OCR rather than self-examination and improvement in light of such a serious dereliction of duty should be a subject of concern for CAC.

[Portion removed.]

By the way, I am looking to see whether candidates can reason through and express an opinion that ISN’T set in stone. We’ve had too much of people at the top prioritizing how they look above making course corrections. Intelligent people should be able to change their minds based on more input. Dauber for sure is the kind of person who would keep making course corrections. I think Foster would be, too, so I am going to continue to watch, as I said, I take back my original critique.

 

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Thread titled: Changes, new features for Town Square

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/09/12/changes-new-features-for-town-square

Before:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community
1 hour ago

@junk -
Back on April I posted a question on a thread titled: ” In-depth report: How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying” link – Web Link

I asked how a Federal investigation is changing the way schools respond to bullying? I still do not understand.
My question vanished, the thread was locked completely. While I may be slow to understand, I doubt this is a junk question.
Here is a page where I listed samples of censoring – Before & After: Web Link

After:

Gone, vanished.

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Before:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community
26 minutes ago

I have listed in my blog samples of censoring. I am assuming that this post will disappear. Maybe my IP address will be blocked?

Samples of removed posting included me asking how a Federal investigation changed the way schools respond to bullying? I did not understand. I still do not understand.

Two notable quotes about the censoring:

“…I feel this is an important area for discussion within the community about the power of censorship in shaping an biasing the discussion on Palo Alto issues…. – Anonymous, copied from Palo Alto online Web Link
.
“… Lately Bill Johnson seems to be editing for content of speech rather than manner or tone. He appears to have particular ideas about what kinds of arguments “help” the “community” and what do not. This is unfortunate since it appears to be a slippery slope with a lot of deletions occurring. To say he owns the means of expression is a bit unsatisfactory given the expectations set for online communications and free speech in the electronic age. In practical terms it is a big commitment of time and energy for the weekly staff that would be better spent in improving its reporting especially in the area of education…” -PalyDad, copied fromPalo alto online, (Web Link

Here is a link my page, samples of censoring, Before & After – Web Link

After:

Posted by village fool
a resident of another community
52 minutes ago

[Post removed]

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Thread Titled: Where’s Edmund?

Link:  http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/09/02/wheres-edmund

Before:

Where’s Edmund?

Original post made by A parent, too on Sep 2, 2014

Noticed that Edmund Burke is no longer on the list of PA Weekly bloggers. I also haven’t seen any EB comments in the last couple months. Weekly, what happened?

Comments (1)

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@parent – While I cannot answer your question, I am curious to learn How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying?

“How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying?” was the title of an article which was published on On June 14th, 2013
link – Web Link

On June 17th, 2013 I wrote that transparency and accountability would be the first signs of change, I must be missing something.

I cannot ask anymore – that thread was locked completely.
I still do not understand.

After:

Sorry. The topic you are looking for is no longer in the system.

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Thread Titled: Real-world PA Town Square?

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/08/14/real-world-pa-town-square#comment_form

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
13 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.

@Peter Carpenter,

Fear of retaliation and the ongoing censoring are parts of my response to your – Why?
I wrote more here, Web Link, my blog.

My blog is part of my response to these issues, a place I cannot be “deleted”.

After:

Vanished.

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Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago
@Peter Carpenter,

Fear of reticulation and the ongoing censoring are parts of my response to your – Why?
I wrote more here Web Link, my blog.
My blog is part of my response to these issues, a place I cannot be “deleted”. (this comment will vanish soon).

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
44 minutes ago

[Post removed.]

Thread restricted to registered users.

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Thread Titled: Judge sides with family in Palo Alto special education case

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/07/14/judge-sides-with-family-in-palo-alto-special-education-case

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
32 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Anonymous22-

Sorry, currently I’m not exceeding ten words. Reason -
Web Link

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
1 hour ago

village fool is a registered user.

[Post removed.]

Comment – I posted the above comment on Aug 13th, 2014.

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Thread titled: Got empathy?

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/08/08/got-empathy

Before:

Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
34 minutes ago

George Orwell is a registered user.

Well done! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

Fascinating comments. I am reminded of this document – Web Link which I mentioned here Web Link

Even I could not invent any of this.

After:

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Thread Titled: Question for Editors

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/08/08/question-for-editors-

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
50 minutes ago

This is an off topic comment. I posted the following comment twice earlier. Two times the comment disappeared completely fast. No trace left. I am trying again:

@Hmmm – I am very interested in your insight as to the possible reasons that had my post above removed. While it was off topic here, I think we both saw numerous off topic comments which remained intact.

I posted here since the thread I started yesterday was locked completely.

My removed comment can be found in a page I dedicated to the weekly’s censoring (Before & After). link Web Link

After:

Vanished. Thread locked, no commenting anymore.

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Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
44 minutes ago

@Hmmm – I am very interested in your insight as to the possible reasons that had my post removed. While it was off topic here, I think we both saw numerous off topic comments which remained intact.

I posted here since the thread I started yesterday was locked completely.

My removed comment can be found in a page I dedicated to the weekly’s censoring (Before & After). link Web Link

After:

Vanished.

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Before;

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
8 hours ago

@Hmmm -

I started a thread shortly after you started this thread.
I thanked the Weekly for letting us know on Aug 1St about the PAUSD unanimous decision to challenge to OCR (Office of Civil Rights), and asked why the Aug1St thread was locked after only one comment?
(I could not ask on the locked thread).

The moderator responded that the thread I referred to was a duplicate of an older thread. (that older thread is very interesting – Web Link)

The thread I started today link – Web Link locked completely after the moderator’s response.

The thread I started today is a rehash of a thread I started on Aug 2nd asking the same question. That thread disappeared fast. Reading your question, watching your thread “survive” had me ask again, I was curious.

Count your blessings…

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
9 hours ago

[Post removed.]

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Thread Titled: Invitation only candidates meeting

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/08/01/invitation-only-candidates-meeting

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
13 hours ago

off topic comment:

@Rupert of henzau -
CNN will air- ‘Our Nixon’ tomorrow, Friday Aug 8th.

The following was copied from CNN’s page -Web Link
“…
Throughout Richard Nixon’s presidency, three of his top White House aides obsessively documented their experiences with Super 8 home movie cameras. This unique and personal visual record, created by H.R. Halde­man, John Ehrlichman and Dwight Chapin, was seized by the FBI during the Watergate investigation, then filed away and forgotten for almost 40 years.
…”

40 years. Cheers…

After:

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Before:

Posted by concerned voter, a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

Seems like contrarian, enough already and Abc have problems with the postings of Rupert. And they seem to think that be engaging in name calling and intimidation on this forum, they will prevent him from posting his opinions. And one poster complains about “ad hominem attacks”, yet engages in worse behavior using the excuse that his name calling is justified because he is right!!!!!!
Keep up the comments, Rupert. You have the right to express your opinions. Do not let certain posters intimidate you.

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Posted by concerned voter, a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

enough already–how does Rupert’s criticism of Holman differ from the ongoing criticism of Scharff, Shepherd and other members of the council. There has been ongoing criticism of members of the council on this forum even before the Maybell controversy. Do you classify that as “stalking”, as well?
In fact, I recall a regular poster from Green Acres who would constantly criticize certain council members during the sunup to the Maybell vote. Was that “Stalking”??

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Posted by concerned voter, a resident of Midtown
2 hours ago

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Posted by concerned voter, a resident of Midtown
2 hours ago

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Comment – the above is just a sample. I happened to see some more. I may add in another time.

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Thread titled: Thank you Weekly for letting us know that PAUSD Board decided unanimously to challenge federal agency.

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/08/02/thank-you-weekly-for-letting-us-know-that-pausd-board-decided-unanimously-to-challenge-federal-agency–#comment_form

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Thank you Weekly for letting us know that PAUSD Board decided unanimously to challenge federal agency.

Original post made by village fool on Aug 2, 2014

Thank you Weekly for letting us know that PAUSD board decided to challenge a federal agency.link – Web LinkLocking the thread reduces the visibility of this important issue on Town Square, as the thread moves to the bottom of the issues addressed.Do you think that this issue is of no interest to Town Square readers? It was published only yesterday. This issue was very high on TQ’s agenda only few weeks ago.May I ask why this important thread was locked completely?Thank you for letting us know.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
7 minutes ago

Sorry, I failed to add the following to my post, above:

it seems to me that the timing of this decision to challenge a federal agency is even more intriguing given the current situation where no incumbents is running for the next PAUSD board election.

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gone. I started this thread,  I have listed above the whole thread.

 

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Thread Titled: Charges dropped in East Palo Alto drive-by shooting

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/07/17/charges-dropped-in-east-palo-alto-drive-by-shooting

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
on Jul 19, 2014 at 1:15 am
George Orwell is a registered user.

Well Done! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

Dear Queen or King of this virtual world,
This is my third attempt to post my sincere compliment. I hope that my comment will not disappear again, as i t is important to give credit where credit is due.

Dear ‘Bru’,
You wrote ‘if people are afraid to tell the truth, then we have no justice.’
Yes, this Gordian Knot tying Truth, Justice, Fear and the “New World”s First Amendment.

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Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
17 minutes ago

Bru is a registered user.

Don Law could be the defendant’s lawyer, who knows? He irrationally assumes that the witness’s actions says nothing about this. He’s entitled to his opinion, everyone else is entitled to theirs. As long as we have anyone being murdered for cooperating with the police, all justice needs to be looked at critically, not just dismissed by a cheap slogan – “Innocent until proven guilty.” Witnesses are a must have for any justice system to retain credibility, if people are afraid to tell the truth, then we have no justice.

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Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 18, 2014 at 3:36 pm

Bru is a registered user.

[Portion removed.] As long as we have anyone being murdered for cooperating with the police, all justice needs to be looked at critically, not just dismissed by a cheap slogan – “Innocent until proven guilty.” Witnesses are a must have for any justice system to retain credibility, if people are afraid to tell the truth, then we have no justice.

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Thread Titled: Los Angeles ruling could jeopardize Palo Alto vehicle-dwelling law

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/20/los-angeles-ruling-could-jeopardize-palo-alto-vehicle-dwelling-law

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Posted by Mary, a resident of College Terrace
1 hour ago
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Posted by Mary, a resident of College Terrace
58 minutes ago
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Posted by Mary, a resident of College Terrace
2 minutes ago
Editor, please explain why you removed my post:Why was my post removed? I spoke to a particular egregious case on Cambridge Ave. in College Terrace. This guy is over the top, and he parked there AFTER the parking ban. He is on the same street as your headquarters, would you want him parked in front of YOUR business?”I live in College Terrace, and have experienced these situations for years, with no help from our CC. After we finally got (forced) the parking ban, the situation improved, but now this guy creeps back in, and nothing is done. He lives, permanently, in a beat up old van, right across the street from Jack-in-the Box, and he cooks outside, and dumps his stuff behind his van.The parking ban needs to be ENFORCED!. And we need to enforce our current ban on car camping. “
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Posted by Mary, a resident of College Terrace
18 hours ago
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Posted by Mary, a resident of College Terrace
18 hours ago
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Thread Titled: Members of Page Mill YMCA protest closure

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/07/10/members-of-page-mill-ymca-protest-closure

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Posted by Nothinbutthetruth, a resident of Barron Park
1 hour ago

PAmoderate, actually you just proved my point by failing to admit the obvious. “get over it.”

Coded Message:

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Gone, vanished.  Nothinbutthetruth‘  follow-up post:

Posted by Nothinbutthetruth, a resident of Barron Park
10 hours ago

Dear Palo Alto/weekly I incorporated a coded message for PAmoderate and you deleted it without acknowledging that you did so. Granted this is your forum and you can dictate the agenda for your self servicing purposes but at the very least if you have any legitimacy to your positions surely you can allow yourself and those whom you want to promote your agenda to to be challenged and if not then you are no better than some banana republic dictating what the people can hear and see manipulating their ideas of what is right and wrong.

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Paloaltoonline, if you erase the above coded message without acknowledging it then you are definitely a propagandist and I will expose you for being so.

Comment: @Nothinbutthetruth, Thank you for posting your follow-up comment! It so happened that I had your “vanished” comment.  Welcome to the “club”…  My comments disappeared many times without a trace that I have ever posted.

I also experienced comments being partially censored without any indication that my comment was censored. You can find the “story” of such comment, below,  under the thread titled: “Glenn ‘Max’ McGee accepts Palo Alto superintendent job”

Obviously I cannot see or notice everything, especially when a comment is removed without trace. Thanks again, vf.

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Thread Titled: New Palo Alto school chief: Arriving with ‘fresh eyes and ears’

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/07/09/new-palo-alto-school-chief-arriving-with-fresh-eyes-and-ears

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Posted by must be anonymous, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
47 minutes ago

25 Churchill is like a nest of vipers in a bad Dilbert cartoon. Dealing with them has been literally traumatic and damaging for my family. In all my years, experience with inner-city schools, wealthy private schools, experience with all kinds of large, small, sick, healthy organizations, I have never come across so many sick petty vindictive but slick players who shouldn’t be allowed within a million miles of children. There are too many who think they are well-meaning and not bad people, therefore anything they do or anything that comes out of their mouths is true and justified.

If the new super is here being prepped by them for how he should see the parents, the schools, and even the conflicts, he and we are in for it. We should have an infusion of honesty, ethics, transparency, and just plain CONCERN FOR THE KIDS. He should fire most of them, if he knew what they did to contribute to Skelly’s problems and how they hurt trust and connectedness to so many families in this district. We all see Skelly because he’s a public figure. We don’t see the kids who suffered, the family’s who suffered because of this lot.

Parents, if you get McGee’s ear, name names. Or things will never get any better. Not that it’s likely to happen, or that McGee will see you without prejudice after that lot is through with him.

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Posted by must be anonymous, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

Comment: IP addresses…

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
1 minutes ago

@Moderator,
May I humbly suggest to link this thread also to the “Schools & Kids” category? (currently it is under “Palo alto Issues”)

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Gone, vanished.  Fast (less than five min.). Thread moved to “Schools & kids”.

You are very welcome.

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Thread Titled: East Palo Alto endorses affordable-housing fee for developers

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/07/02/east-palo-alto-approves-developers-affordable-housing-fee

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Posted by village fool , a resident of another community
20 minutes ago

@Moderator – may I humbly suggest to link this thread to another appropriate category? Currently it is under – Sports.

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Thread Titled: Jets everywhere this morning??!!

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/07/02/jets-everywhere-this-morning

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Posted by Doubting Thomas, a resident of Midtown
26 minutes ago

Jet man- why don’t you tell us where you wantbto planes to go. Which city should they flyover instead of palo,alto? Do you have a viable solution or,is it just ” paloalto,is,special and should not be disturbed by anything? Shall we close SFO?
Palo,alto derives plenty of benefits from having SFO. Anyway, all these claims about air traffic in palo,alto are grossly exaggerated.

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Posted by Doubting Thomas, a resident of Midtown
34 minutes ago

Jet man- why don’t you tell us where you wantbto planes to go. Which city should they flyover instead of palo,alto? [Portion removed.]

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Thread Titled:  Editorial: For developers, tough sledding

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/27/editorial-for-developers-tough-sledding

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Posted by My Mama, a resident of Evergreen Park
8 hours ago

I wondered about the misspelling too.
My Mama taught me not to argue with anyone who doesn’t know how to spell his own name.

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Posted by Greenacres, a resident of Green Acres
5 hours ago

@Rupert,
The above article is entitled, “For developers, tough sledding”

Are you going to go after them for making a false statement, too? There’s no snow. No sleds. No rosebud. They said “sledding”!

I’m afraid I have to give up. The Weekly censor is letting you slam me but continually deleting all the history, context, and posts I have made in reply, except for my statement above protesting that it’s not fault.

Not fair, censors. Either put back the history so the context is there — everything I said about how involved the City was in the purchase of Maybell is possible to verify — or delete “Ruperts” repeated taunts.

@Rupert,
Are you claiming the City wasn’t involved in the purchase of the Maybell property? Are you claiming the City didn’t USE UP (the words I used) the affordable housing funds for the purchase of the Maybell property? Because if you are saying that, you are calling PAHC liars, because they claimed that in their own ads before Measure D.

The whole reason the City had first right of refusal on the Maybell property is because of how intimately they were involved in the sale. But who am I? Just someone who has seen a lot of documents related to the sale, like a lot of the neighbors.

Again, the City tied up those funds at Maybell, when they knew what was happening at BV. They had all of you eating out of their hands (and carrying water for them, too), when not only would that money have been better spent at BV, the citizen action against Maybell could easily have been redirected at that time in support of instead saving BV.

I’m constantly amazed that people who would claim there can be no affordable housing in Palo Alto ever again if we don’t upzone residential neigbhorhoods (despite the fact that 801 Alma was built within zoning) or engage in similar financing mechanisms that involve giant giveaways to for profit developers (despite 801 Alma being built without needing to), and that nothing is perfect so we have to accept whatever they say has to be done in order to get the housing, would not be pragmatic when it comes to choosing between realistically saving BV and tilting at windmills at Maybell.

The choice between saving over 400 low-income residences of existing Palo Altans with the possibility of no ultimate cost to the City, and a development costing tens of millions for 60 spots without any marketing study to show the need for that segment — if we’re being pragmatic, that’s easy.

@ Don’t Worry,
I hope you are right. We would all be better off here. Unfortunately, developers show no signs of giving up. I don’t know who you’ve been talking to, but I’m seeing the same anger at overdevelopment from Sunnyvale through Menlo Park. Many of those groups talk to each other now. It’s only a matter of time before we take up with that group in SF who rejected the upzoning at the waterfront.

I don’t know what you mean by “NIMBY” – if you mean against giant, ugly, overbuilt developments that destroy quality of life and overuse resources and infrastructure, then call away, and good riddance to them. If you mean against affordable housing, I hope you realize all the overdevelopment is actually working against affordable housing.

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Posted by Rupert of Henzau, a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

“In the book it’s spelled Hentzau”

Correction–you are thinking of my cousin from the twin city of Hentzau. I am from Henzau. Different city.

“I wondered about the misspelling too.
My Mama taught me not to argue with anyone who doesn’t know how to spell his own name.”

My mama. Is that what you wonder about. My mama, Jan, told me to ignore petty people, who think they know how to spell someone’s name better than they do.

“Are you going to go after them for making a false statement, too? There’s no snow. No sleds. No rosebud. They said “sledding”! “
No greenacres, since that is a metaphor. Very clear about that.

“The Weekly censor is letting you slam me but continually deleting all the history, context, and posts I have made in reply, except for my statement above protesting that it’s not fault.”
The weekly is not letting me “slam you”. I am just pointing the FACT that the city did not purchase Maybell. The PAHC did, with a LOAN from the city.

“or delete “Ruperts” repeated taunts.”
They are not taunts. I am just repeating a comment YOU MADE and pointing out what is wrong with it. I recall someone complaining about ad hominem attacks earlier, as well.

“Are you claiming the City wasn’t involved in the purchase of the Maybell property? Are you claiming the City didn’t USE UP (the words I used) the affordable housing funds for the purchase of the Maybell property?”
The city LOANED PAHC the money to purchase Maybell. The city never PURCHASED Maybell. I cannot say whether or not they used up any money, since i do not know how much money they had. And now with the re-sale of Maybell, the city has th emoney back, so that money was not used up at all.
Buena Vista is irrelevant to this discussion.

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Posted by My Mama, a resident of Evergreen Park
9 hours ago

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Posted by Greenacres, a resident of Green Acres
5 hours ago

[Portion removed.]

@Rupert,
Are you claiming the City wasn’t involved in the purchase of the Maybell property? Are you claiming the City didn’t USE UP (the words I used) the affordable housing funds for the purchase of the Maybell property? [Portion removed.]

The whole reason the City had first right of refusal on the Maybell property is because of how intimately they were involved in the sale. But who am I? Just someone who has seen a lot of documents related to the sale, like a lot of the neighbors.

[Portion removed.]

I’m constantly amazed that people who would claim there can be no affordable housing in Palo Alto ever again if we don’t upzone residential neigbhorhoods (despite the fact that 801 Alma was built within zoning) or engage in similar financing mechanisms that involve giant giveaways to for profit developers (despite 801 Alma being built without needing to), and that nothing is perfect so we have to accept whatever they say has to be done in order to get the housing, would not be pragmatic when it comes to choosing between realistically saving BV and tilting at windmills at Maybell.

The choice between saving over 400 low-income residences of existing Palo Altans with the possibility of no ultimate cost to the City, and a development costing tens of millions for 60 spots without any marketing study to show the need for that segment — if we’re being pragmatic, that’s easy.

@ Don’t Worry,
I hope you are right. We would all be better off here. Unfortunately, developers show no signs of giving up. I don’t know who you’ve been talking to, but I’m seeing the same anger at overdevelopment from Sunnyvale through Menlo Park. Many of those groups talk to each other now. It’s only a matter of time before we take up with that group in SF who rejected the upzoning at the waterfront.

I don’t know what you mean by “NIMBY” – if you mean against giant, ugly, overbuilt developments that destroy quality of life and overuse resources and infrastructure, then call away, and good riddance to them. If you mean against affordable housing, I hope you realize all the overdevelopment is actually working against affordable housing.

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Posted by Rupert of Henzau, a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

“In the book it’s spelled Hentzau”

Correction–you are thinking of my cousin from the twin city of Hentzau. I am from Henzau. Different city.

[Portion removed.]

“Are you claiming the City wasn’t involved in the purchase of the Maybell property? Are you claiming the City didn’t USE UP (the words I used) the affordable housing funds for the purchase of the Maybell property?”
The city LOANED PAHC the money to purchase Maybell. The city never PURCHASED Maybell. I cannot say whether or not they used up any money, since i do not know how much money they had. And now with the re-sale of Maybell, the city has th emoney back, so that money was not used up at all.
Buena Vista is irrelevant to this discussion.

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Posted by Rupert of henzau, a resident of Midtown
1 minutes ago

“I said the CC used up the money in the affordable housing fund to purchase Maybell even as they knew what was happening at BV.”
okay, green acres the above is your quotation. You repeat it agin here. I previously copied and pasted it from a posting of yours that was edited. Note how you say that the CC used the money to PURCHASE Maybell.
I stated that your comment was false. The city never purchased Maybell. They leant the money to PAHC, a non profit developer, to help them purchase Maybell. I provided a link to a story showing that the money was a loan.

“So much of the context I wrote was deleted, so it’s hard for me to even begin to address this. But what I said was absolutely true. I never made the statement, as Rupert did, that the City bought the property. The City was intimately involved in the purchase, though, and used up the money in the affordable housing fund for that purpose. “
Note your quotation, above, or look at your original posting, also above and see that you stated that the city bought the property. period . End of story. Anyway, BV is irrelevant to this discussion.
In this case there is no misrepresezentation by me. You clearly state that the city purchased Maybell, over and over again.

The City told PAHC to go after Maybell. The City committed millions toward the purchase, emptying all the money in the affordable housing fund for that purpose even as they knew what was happening at BV. (If you don’t believe me, see PAHC’s full-page ad before Measure D.) The land use attorney who looked at the docs said the City’s fingerprints are all over the purchase. Larry Klein’s law firm represented the buyer from what I was told.

“Again, it is absolutely true that the City used up the money in the affordable housing fund for the purchase of Maybell. “
And since it was a LOAN, they now have the money back, but the city never owned Maybell.

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Posted by Rupert of henzau, a resident of Midtown
27 minutes ago

“I said the CC used up the money in the affordable housing fund to purchase Maybell even as they knew what was happening at BV.”
okay, green acres the above is your quotation. You repeat it agin here. I previously copied and pasted it from a posting of yours that was edited. Note how you say that the CC used the money to PURCHASE Maybell.
I stated that your comment was false. The city never purchased Maybell. They leant the money to PAHC, a non profit developer, to help them purchase Maybell. I provided a link to a story showing that the money was a loan.

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Posted by Greenacres, a resident of Green Acres
36 minutes ago

@Doubting Thomas,
Rupert restated what I said in a way that wasn’t true and then called it false.

I said the CC used up the money in the affordable housing fund to purchase Maybell even as they knew what was happening at BV.

So much of the context I wrote was deleted, so it’s hard for me to even begin to address this. But what I said was absolutely true. I never made the statement, as Rupert did, that the City bought the property. The City was intimately involved in the purchase, though, and used up the money in the affordable housing fund for that purpose.

The City told PAHC to go after Maybell. The City committed millions toward the purchase, emptying all the money in the affordable housing fund for that purpose even as they knew what was happening at BV. (If you don’t believe me, see PAHC’s full-page ad before Measure D.) The land use attorney who looked at the docs said the City’s fingerprints are all over the purchase. Larry Klein’s law firm represented the buyer from what I was told.

Again, it is absolutely true that the City used up the money in the affordable housing fund for the purchase of Maybell.

If the Weekly censor hadn’t deleted all the history and context I posted above, or had at least deleted the mischaracterization of what I said along with my counter, we would not have to have this back and forth. I really don’t know what to do about the biased censoring. Sorry, but I’m in this conversation with one hand tied behind my back by the biased censorship. It would help if those of you whose posts tend to just be to mischaracterize what other people say/create strawmen would focus on developing and writing your own opinions.

@ sunshine,
I agree with you, and used to think we needed district representation, too. But someone I really respect says she’s seen that turn into little fiefdoms, too. I think better that we have a paid full-time council so that not just rich people can afford to serve.

Instead of having these Councilmembers live in the area he/she represents, how about just making all of them live in the shadow of the most egregious developments they’ve approved, without cars, for a period of at least 5 years each, especially putting them in South Palo Alto where they think they can just dump whatever density they want? Kind of like slumlords having to live in their own rentals. I’m only half joking about that…

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Posted by Greenacres, a resident of Green Acres
1 hour ago

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@ sunshine,
I agree with you, and used to think we needed district representation, too. But someone I really respect says she’s seen that turn into little fiefdoms, too. I think better that we have a paid full-time council so that not just rich people can afford to serve.

Instead of having these Councilmembers live in the area he/she represents, how about just making all of them live in the shadow of the most egregious developments they’ve approved, without cars, for a period of at least 5 years each, especially putting them in South Palo Alto where they think they can just dump whatever density they want? [Portion removed.]

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Posted by Doubting Thomas, a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

Green acres- Rupert’s statement is true . The city never bought the Maybell site.the money was a loan to the PAHC:
Web Link

What do,you claimis false about the statement?

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Posted by Doubting Thomas, a resident of Midtown

6 hours ago

[Post removed.]

Comment: Many comments edited/censored. I did not see most comments before being edited.

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Thread Titled: Page Mill Road YMCA to close Oct. 1

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/24/page-mill-road-ymca-to-close-oct-1

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Posted by Cancelled my membership, a resident of Green Acres
6 hours ago

I cancelled my membership there when I saw a YMCA map on the wall. It was a world map by YMCA. It didn’t show Israel. It was wiped off the map, it’s land assumed by its neighbors. There was a minor controversy in the papers about the map but no apology by the Y. So I cancelled my membership.

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of another community
2 hours ago

Dear Cancelled my membership,

“Wondering” responded to you before. Your comment along “wondering”s and few others disappeared, completly.

“Wondering” wrote:

YMCA Three Arches Hotel (Jerusalem):
Web Link

As a centre for learning, sport and culture, this YMCA is an important local landmark and a great place to spend a few nights. The hotel’s 56 rooms are simply furnished; you’re paying more for the atmosphere than the quality of rooms. You are also paying for the location in highbrow Mamilla; the hotel is directly opposite the prestigious King David Hotel. The Y has an excellent restaurant and use of gym and pool is included in the price.

Does this qualify as a Y in Israel?

I hope you see this before it disappears. Even I cannot understand how quoting and appropriately citing Lonely Planet’s web site violates the terms of use. While these comments may be off topic, I noticed threads that went totally off the topic track and remained intact.
Let me take this opportunity to commend, again, the Queen or King of this virtual world. Even I could not foresee the “New World” censoring this way.
What a nice way to promote my books, especially on my B-day.
Much obliged.

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Posted by Cancelled my membership, a resident of Green Acres
7 hours ago

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of another community
3 hours ago

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Thread Titled:  What Kind of City is Palo Alto?

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/blogs/p/2014/05/12/what-kind-of-city-is-palo-alto

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community,
59 minutes ago

@Steve Levy – “my” Palo Alto has threads locked and my comments disappear. I am writing to you here since this thread Web Link, for example, was locked completely after few of my comments addressing you vanished.
I think that this is a reflection of the way some are treated in Palo Alto, not only on line, also reflecting other hurdles.

I have posted few samples of editing/censoring here - Web Link .

After:

Gone, vanished. I posted this comment on June 15th, 2014. It remained intact for some time. I do not know when it disappeared.

The title of the thread is a question. I cannot argue with the statement that had my comment disappear.

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Thread Titled: Educators: Ending ‘tenure’ no magic bullet

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/17/educators-ending-tenure-no-magic-bullet

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
3 hours ago

George Orwell is a registered user.

Dear Anony Mouse,
Let me join your last words.
Please accept my most sincere wishes and hopes for a meaningful discussion. While I wish I could participate, I cannot. The big brother is watching and seemingly arbitrarily censoring my comments. Seemingly to me, of course.
Good Luck
Goerge

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Thread Titled:  Palo Alto man robs, attacks group of teens playing with fireworks

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/18/palo-alto-man-robs-attacks-group-of-teens-playing-with-fireworks

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
23 minutes ago
George Orwell is a registered user.

Well Done! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

Please do continue, what a lovely way to promote my books and writings in the “New World” and perfect timing too, my B-day in just couple of days.
Much obliged.

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Thread Titled: School Board Hopefuls – Positions Please

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/19/school-board-hopefuls—positions-please

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
52 minutes ago
George Orwell is a registered user.

Well Done! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

Please do continue, what a lovely way to promote my books and writings in the “New World” and perfect timing too, just before my B-day next week.
Much obliged.

PS
Dear Queen or King of the virtual world – This is my fifth attempt. I am pretty sure it was an honest mistake that had my sincere praise removed.

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Comment – I cannot find this thread in Town Square list.  The thread was created by “care to opine?”

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Thread Titled: More PAUSD turnover

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/17/more-pausd-turnover

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Posted by observer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

“It makes sense to get Zigler out of there, she has been a key member of a woefully underperforming special education leadership team. Funny thing is that Holly Wade is untouched and still drawing a huge salary.”

“coordinator of student services Tammy Zigler “

I thought coordinator of student services was Brenda Carrillo? I was really hoping to see her name on this list, she has from my observation quietly been behind a lot of the problems involving the (agreed) woefully underperforming special ed leadership.

Is this rats fleeing a sinking ship, or fleeing even bigger rats left behind?

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Posted by observer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
22 hours ago

I thought coordinator of student services was Brenda Carrillo? I was really hoping to see her name on this list, she has from my observation quietly been behind a lot of the problems involving the (agreed) woefully underperforming special ed leadership.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
39 minutes ago

Sadly, these are old news. Last year all these issues were clearly present.
More than a year ago I addressed Ken Dauber calling him to form a PAUSD Shadow Board. I am well aware that it was a very unusual suggestion. I thought that an unusual situation where the most vulnerable kids may be in harms way calls for an unusual and immediate response/statement. Even a symbolic statement. I cannot see any mechanisms of checks and balances within the public school system. A shadow government can be one. Churchill headed one as the leader of the opposition.

About a year ago I wrote (Web Link):
“… It seems to me that no steps have been taken by those in charge to better identify the issues. Meanwhile – the public attention seems to be shifting , fast, from one issue to the other. None being properly addressed – I’ll just mention now the Gunn guidance issue that was on the agenda just very short time ago. I have mentioned, above that I think that nothing can be counted on, anymore… This week presented another issue – personnel.
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And yes, sadly, it is worse. Unfortunately. So I believe.

Posted by that stapler, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
51 minutes ago

Kim Cowell in the classroom? She’s probably rusty but maybe she can co-teach with Phil Winston and watch to make sure he doesn’t blurt out “black dong.” She can be on “black dong” alert. They can give her a panic button to push if he starts to mention any colors or shapes.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on Jun 18, 2014 at 5:50 am

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16 hours ago

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Thread Titled: Why is Town Square So Out of Sync With Dominant Free Speech Norms of the Internet; or, is this Forum Not a Forum Anymore Due to Heavy-Handed Editing of Posts

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/18/why-is-town-square-so-out-of-sync-with-dominant-free-speech-norms-of-the-internet-or-is-this-forum-not-a-forum-anymore-due-to-heavy-handed-editing-of-posts

Original post made by village fool on Jun 18, 2014

I copied the title from a thread which was started by village idiot on Sep 9th, 2013. -Web LinkWhile the thread was locked completely, I think the issues discussed are still very relevant, and very important. More so these days.Village idiot – I hope you do not mind me using your title.And no, while I am obviously an idiot, I did not post the thread on September 9TH, 2013.

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Comment: I started the thread, it disappeared completely, fast. Thou should not discuss censorship. Where is Mr. J. Heller when I need him?

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Thread Titled:  Palo Alto school board backs challenge to U.S. agency

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/18/palo-alto-school-board-backs-challenge-to-us-agency

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
27 minutes ago

George Orwell is a registered user.

Well Done! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

Please do continue, what a lovely way to promote my books and writings in the “New World” and perfect timing too, just before my B-day.
Much obliged.

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Posted by Bill, a resident of Barron Park
2 minutes ago

Good luck with that anger thing, Bob.

Maybe you can explain how taking away tenure and firing teachers is going to cause more people to rush into low performing schools and work for the same (or as you seem to propose, less) money? How is that going to work exactly? It’s not like teaching is the same as serving food during the lunch rush or bolting carburetors into cars on an assembly line. Anybody can build some crazy metric as you did (and the plaintiffs did in their legal case) to show they were harmed. The problem is, how do you make things better? What’s going to protect good teachers from bad administrators, many of whom couldn’t hack it as teachers themselves?

This is simply a case of the libertarian spin machine aimed at destroying public education and a judge with “robe rage” – the legal case itself simply doesn’t add up. But, maybe it will generate enough interest so that we start to address some lingering issues with funding public education in California. In the end, I can’t help but think Palo Alto is going to come out worse as a result because we have some much more to lose than other districts.

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Posted by Bill, a resident of Barron Park
31 minutes ago

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Maybe you can explain how taking away tenure and firing teachers is going to cause more people to rush into low performing schools and work for the same (or as you seem to propose, less) money? How is that going to work exactly? It’s not like teaching is the same as serving food during the lunch rush or bolting carburetors into cars on an assembly line. Anybody can build some crazy metric as you did (and the plaintiffs did in their legal case) to show they were harmed. The problem is, how do you make things better? What’s going to protect good teachers from bad administrators, many of whom couldn’t hack it as teachers themselves?

This is simply a case of the libertarian spin machine aimed at destroying public education and a judge with “robe rage” – the legal case itself simply doesn’t add up. But, maybe it will generate enough interest so that we start to address some lingering issues with funding public education in California. In the end, I can’t help but think Palo Alto is going to come out worse as a result because we have some much more to lose than other districts.

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Posted by Thanks Weekly!, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
37 minutes ago

That’s your story about this ridiculous thing? Are you kidding? This makes their totally unreasonable act, which is tied in their own letter to Republican attacks on the White House and DOE sound perfectly reasonable. It allows Mitchell to make unchallenged and probably false claims about “evidence tampering” without noting that she has presented zero evidence to support that outrageous charge or to show that it in any way affected the outcome of anything. This is insane. Our schools have been taken over by right wing libertarian anti-Obama wingnuts and there is no adult minding that store. Nadir much?

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Posted by Thanks Weekly!, a resident of Barron Park
15 minutes ago

That’s your story about this ridiculous thing? [Portion removed.] It allows Mitchell to make unchallenged and probably false claims about “evidence tampering” without noting that she has presented zero evidence to support that outrageous charge or to show that it in any way affected the outcome of anything. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by interesting board meeting, a resident of Palo Alto High School
26 minutes ago

Last nights Board meeting was very uplifting. Many people stepped up to say their goodbyes to Dr. Skelly. I was surprised by how many people stated they appreciated the work he has done over the years and the many programs he supported. After always reading the Weekly, I’ve been tainted by Dr. Skelly but last nights Board meeting showed me a different side. And it was nice to see Dr. Skelly’s smile.

Also the Board unanimously voted in favor of the resolution even when several got up requesting the opposite, some quite adamantly. Some of the issues they mentioned in regards to supporting this resolution is that the process comes off as something bad before it is even investigated and that it takes a long time to investigate these issues. So during that time the teachers or staff feel this negative draw (especially from the media) even when the results eventually are in their favor. They reiterated that the best results from the OCR is “insufficient evidence to support discrimination”. That’s their highest rating even though this doesn’t sound as well as “not guilty”. And that the teachers, staff, board and even OCR is not allowed (for confidentiality) able to correct the facts when media and blogs get it wrong. So the news is very one sided.

They also kept mentioning about tampered evidence. I’m sure whoever tampered with the evidence does not want this resolution to go forward. Does anybody know anything about the tampered evidence? Was wondering if this is the real reason PAUSD wants to proceed?

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Posted by interesting board meeting, a resident of Palo Alto High School
1 hour ago

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Comment: IP addresses. Any wonder that most do not want to log in when it is about kids?

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Thread Titled: Price tag for new Paly athletic center: $36 million to $40 million

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/13/price-tag-for-new-paly-athletic-center-36-million-to-40-million

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
14 minutes ago

@howlong:
your comments before being censored can be found here - Web Link

And here’s to our disagreement, bigotry wise: -
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime.” M. Twain

Posted by howlong, a resident of College Terrace
17 minutes ago

village f, what’s this about quoting M. Twain? lecturing me on bigotry? I just am asking why comments about the family’s contribution get to stay on here and others get erased.

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Posted by howlong, a resident of College Terrace
1 hour ago

let’s see, it’s o.k. to bash someone’s religion if the people with that religion are rich and give their money to causes they believe in. It might not be o.k. to bash a poor person’s religion.

? is that it?

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2 hours ago

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Posted by Craig Laughton, a resident of College Terrace
13 minutes ago

I am thankful that the Peery family has donated to Paly. To the bigots who oppose them, I would ask, do you also oppose plural marriage? Many pro-gay marriage people do. Maybe the Peery family, too, even given their past history with Brigham Young.

My main point is that such legitimate moral/legal disagreements should not get in the way of much needed donations to our school system. Thank you, Peery family…you are much appreciated.

We don’t need this hatred and bigotry on this particular thread. Just say, “thank you”.

Go Paly!

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Posted by howlong, a resident of College Terrace
6 minutes ago

yes, Craig Laughton, howlong is surprised that hatred and bigotry are having such a field day here!

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Posted by Craig Laughton, a resident of College Terrace
1 hour ago

I am thankful that the Peery family has donated to Paly. [Portion removed.]

My main point is that such legitimate moral/legal disagreements should not get in the way of much needed donations to our school system. Thank you, Peery family…you are much appreciated.

[Portion removed.] Just say, “thank you”.

Go Paly!

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58 minutes ago

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Posted by Peery Supported Prop 8, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
26 minutes ago

A public school district in the state of California should not accept money from someone who supported and donated to Prop 8 in the first place. Everytime I post this, it gets deleted but here goes: if the schools would not accept 24 million from a man who donates to pass anti-semitic laws why would it accept 24 million from a many who donates to pass anti-gay laws? Both Jewish people and gays were targeted by the Holocaust. Both Jewish people and gays have been victims of discrimination here in the United States. Anti-gay laws strip gay people of their humanity. People who hold anti-gay views should not be given honored status in a public education facility. What about someone who supported Japanese Internment or Jim Crow? Someday Prop 8 will be seen for what it properly is: a bigoted relic of a bygone era. But Paly will be saddled with a legacy of hate. The precise pricetag is ireelevant. it is the moral pricetag that matters.

Stand up for something that matters. The dollars are not the point.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
3 minutes ago

@Peery Supported Prop 8Peery Supported Prop 8 – Yes, every time these issues are addressed the thread was restricted etc. Here is one sample – Web Link.
Interestingly, these issues remain connected. Thank you for reminding us all.

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Posted by Peery Supported Prop 8, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
2 hours ago

A public school district in the state of California should not accept money from someone who supported and donated to Prop 8 in the first place. [Portion removed.]

Stand up for something that matters. The dollars are not the point.

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1 hour ago

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Posted by wow, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
1 hour ago

I cannot believe the few negative nellies on this forum. Really!!! It sounds like somebody out there is drinking a little more than kool-aid and if it is 85 degrees and sunny out he or she will always find something to complain about.

Instead of being grateful a few want to point fingers and play the blame game etc….. what a sad few! I hope they can get professional help for their personality disorders and sad outlook on life.

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2 hours ago

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Thread Titled: Editorial: A sadly misguided board

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/06/editorial-a-sadly-misguided-board

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Posted by Alice, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

Thank you Terry Lobdell for a well researched guide to this crazy Alice in Wonderland journey down a rabbit hole. I am ashamed that our district leadership thinks that this Resolution is a way out of this hole they have dug for themselves. We owe it to our children to uphold a higher standard. If we expect them to follow rules (cheating, streaking) we need to behave in a way that makes our children proud.

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Posted by Alice, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
3 hours ago

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Comment: Dear Alice,

Please do mind your IP addresses, especially before breakfast.

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Posted by TheConnection, a resident of Palo Alto High School
12 hours ago

Okay – so Skelly had a chance to raise his concerns with OCR before he signed the resolution agreement in December? Why did he wait until May to bring this up? [Portion removed.]

Granted, he had chosen to keep everything secret from the Board before December, so maybe the [portion removed] complaints about this investigation are really coming from the board. Guess what? Too bad for them. Their chance to complain to OCR was squandered when Skelly chose to keep the whole matter secret from them. They bear the responsibility of his screw-ups.

But why the complaint letter now? To what purpose? It is an old case, where the district was late to sign an agreement, and late to register any complaints, and failed to discuss these issues during negotiations (which were held in secret from the Board). It is basically a done deal. The Board is playing Monday-morning quarterback if they imagine they can rewind this mess and complain to OCR at this late stage.

They should admit that mistakes were made in handling the Students issues, and mistakes were made in handling the OCR investigation and negotiation.

Then move on. Let it go. Focus on fixing the broken sites. Use the new powers of termination to let go of some of the site administration and teachers who bungle this kind of stuff. It will send a strong message that the Board really does want to make schools a safe environment for students.

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Posted by TheConnection, a resident of Palo Alto High School
40 minutes ago

One correction upon re-reading all the sources above. I assumed Skelly was ignorant of the process. It appears however that he knew the Letter of Findings would be issued as he had missed the deadline before the Investigation Concluded.

So, my assumption of his ignorance is incorrect. He was simply misleading the board. And the board, having also been informed of the process is engaging in some duplicity with the public.

The Board was informed of the procedures; their letter complaining otherwise is just nonsense

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48 minutes ago

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7 hours ago

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago
@theater

I agree with “Time To Let Go” and will also give my views on your question. You ask what is the relationship between rape culture and the issues of streaking and also of the fact that Phil Winston was found by the district to have engaged in sexual harassment by creating a hostile sexual environment at Paly.

First, I wonder why you ask about how these things are related. You appear to be operating under the mistaken impression that OCR’s Compliance Review is somehow limited to the issue of rape culture. This is a fallacy, and one that I have heard repeated over and over by school board members, district lawyers, and district staff. It is incorrect. While the rape culture articles are one way that the district’s sexual harassment issues at Paly first came to the attention of federal civil rights investigators, their Compliance Review was not in any way limited to those issues.

Indeed, their Compliance Review letter notified the district that they were investigating “sexual harassment’ at Paly during the date range of 2011-13. There is no mention in the notification letter that the review is limited only or in any way to issues covered by the Verde. The Verde article merely alerted OCR to the potential existence of a problem.

Although the district has stalled and delayed this investigation shamelessly by trying to argue, as you do, that these other issues are somehow beyond the scope, this is a frivolous argument.

Second, there is a reason for this that is very good. A school with a rampant rape culture that leads to the serious harassment and hostile environment for students is one that may well have other problems with the leadership. In this case, that suspicion bore fruit, because during the time in question, the leader of the school (and the officer of the school who was charged with Title IX compliance at the site level was Phil Winston. Phil Winston was himself engaged in sexual harassment and it is no accident or coincidence that he also failed to respond properly to the peer sexual harassment on campus. That is a clear relationship.

In addition, the streaking that created a sexually hostile environment possibly for staff and students was also inadequately responded to by Phil Winston, who was himself found to be a sexual harasser and specifically to make comments about the naked breasts of underage female streakers on his campus.

All of these issues are related and properly under investigation through the Compliance Review.

The district has used frivolous discovery abuse tactics to stall and resist this investigation. It has not cooperated in good faith in my opinion. It has tried on two different tactics to get OCR to stop its investigation, claiming that there was no problem while at the same time firing its own principal for sexual harassment. The district knew that there was a hostile sexual environment on campus due to Phil Winston at the very time that it was telling OCR that there was no issue. That is a frivolous claim, intended to stall and stop a legitimate investigation.

The school board has not behaved properly and this attack on OCR in which it calls OCR “unfair” and accuses it essentially of misconduct is an attack on the Obama administration. It will surely wind up on Fox News. If you, the public of Palo Alto do not want to be featured on Fox News as a school district fighting Obama and defending rape culture, then please do not spend your time posting here. Do something that will be effective and help to stop the board from ruining the reputation of this community.

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
8 hours ago
@theater

I agree with “Time To Let Go” and will also give my views on your question. You ask what is the relationship between rape culture and the issues of streaking and also of the fact that Phil Winston was found by the district to have engaged in sexual harassment by creating a hostile sexual environment at Paly.

First, I wonder why you ask about how these things are related. You appear to be operating under the mistaken impression that OCR’s Compliance Review is somehow limited to the issue of rape culture. This is a fallacy, and one that I have heard repeated over and over by school board members, district lawyers, and district staff. It is incorrect. While the rape culture articles are one way that the district’s sexual harassment issues at Paly first came to the attention of federal civil rights investigators, their Compliance Review was not in any way limited to those issues.

Indeed, their Compliance Review letter notified the district that they were investigating “sexual harassment’ at Paly during the date range of 2011-13. There is no mention in the notification letter that the review is limited only or in any way to issues covered by the Verde. The Verde article merely alerted OCR to the potential existence of a problem.

Although the district has stalled and delayed this investigation shamelessly by trying to argue, as you do, that these other issues are somehow beyond the scope, this is a frivolous argument.

Second, there is a reason for this that is very good. A school with a rampant rape culture that leads to the serious harassment and hostile environment for students is one that may well have other problems with the leadership. In this case, that suspicion bore fruit, because during the time in question, the leader of the school (and the officer of the school who was charged with Title IX compliance at the site level was Phil Winston. Phil Winston was himself engaged in sexual harassment and it is no accident or coincidence that he also failed to respond properly to the peer sexual harassment on campus. That is a clear relationship.

In addition, the streaking that created a sexually hostile environment possibly for staff and students was also inadequately responded to by Phil Winston, who was himself found to be a sexual harasser and specifically to make comments about the naked breasts of underage female streakers on his campus.

All of these issues are related and properly under investigation through the Compliance Review.

The district has used frivolous discovery abuse tactics to stall and resist this investigation. It has not cooperated in good faith in my opinion. It has tried on two different tactics to get OCR to stop its investigation, claiming that there was no problem while at the same time firing its own principal for sexual harassment. The district knew that there was a hostile sexual environment on campus due to Phil Winston at the very time that it was telling OCR that there was no issue. That is a frivolous claim, intended to stall and stop a legitimate investigation.

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
6 minutes ago
As the excellent comments from Laura’s Mom point out, there are at least 2 ways that the district strikes me as being not credible in its complaints about OCR:1. The district contends that there is some risk to students from being interviewed by OCR without direct parental consent when such sensitive topics and dating violence or sexual harassment are being discussed. Yet the district has no procedures and no history itself of obtaining or ensuring parental consent or presence when the district interviews students on these specific issues.”Laura” was interviewed by Trinity Klein about an actual eyewitness report of abuse by her former boyfriend and yet parents were not even notified. That egregious mistake is exactly what has cooked the district’s goose in that case. The district failed to even notify parents, let alone obtain their presence or consent, so for the district to come with those unclean hands and demand that OCR not conduct any interviews with students unless and until parents not only are notified but give specific written permission, is just laughable.In the Paly case, there was no trained sexual assault interviewer who talked to the students who heard or were subject to the specific egregious behaviors of Phil Winston. By all evidence, no trained sexual assault or harassment investigator was hired by the district (although such investigators exist) to come in and meet with the student whose earrings were stroked, the student who was harassed following her sexual assault, the students who were victimized by rape culture, the student to whom Phil Winston commented on another underage girl’s naked breasts, the teacher who was the recipient of Phil’s comment that the only reason that white girls liked an African American boy was for his “black dong,” or anyone else. Parents were not notified. Parents were not invited to attend the interview of their child with a trained investigator, because none was utilized.The district investigation of rape culture was nonexistent and the district investigation of Phil was brief, did not include interviews of students, and was pre-empted by his “voluntary” resignation and reassignment as a special education teacher with vulnerable middle school students.The district’s condition for interviews of high school students are outrageous given the district’s own performance. The district wants a district official present. That in itself tells you that their motive is to protect themselves, not the students.The district is not credible. Their resistance to student interviews is merely a stall and delay tactic borrowed from aggressive litigation tactics. If this was litigation it would be seen as a discovery abuse. It is appalling.To quote former Mayor Bechtel, “time for a change.” The fact that the “resolution” was unanimous means any change will have to be decisive and across the board.

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

As the excellent comments from Laura’s Mom point out, there are at least 2 ways that the district strikes me as being not credible in its complaints about OCR:

1. The district contends that there is some risk to students from being interviewed by OCR without direct parental consent when such sensitive topics and dating violence or sexual harassment are being discussed. Yet the district has no procedures and no history itself of obtaining or ensuring parental consent or presence when the district interviews students on these specific issues.

“Laura” was interviewed by Trinity Klein about an actual eyewitness report of abuse by her former boyfriend and yet parents were not even notified. That egregious mistake is exactly what has cooked the district’s goose in that case. The district failed to even notify parents, let alone obtain their presence or consent, so for the district to come with those unclean hands and demand that OCR not conduct any interviews with students unless and until parents not only are notified but give specific written permission, is just laughable.

In the Paly case, there was no trained sexual assault interviewer who talked to the students who heard or were subject to the specific egregious behaviors of Phil Winston. By all evidence, no trained sexual assault or harassment investigator was hired by the district (although such investigators exist) to come in and meet with the student [portion removed.] Parents were not notified. Parents were not invited to attend the interview of their child with a trained investigator, because none was utilized.

The district investigation of rape culture was nonexistent and the district investigation of Phil was brief, did not include interviews of students, and was pre-empted by his “voluntary” resignation and reassignment as a special education teacher with vulnerable middle school students.

The district’s condition for interviews of high school students are outrageous given the district’s own performance. The district wants a district official present. That in itself tells you that their motive is to protect themselves, not the students.

The district is not credible. Their resistance to student interviews is merely a stall and delay tactic borrowed from aggressive litigation tactics. If this was litigation it would be seen as a discovery abuse. It is appalling.

To quote former Mayor Bechtel, “time for a change.” The fact that the “resolution” was unanimous means any change will have to be decisive and across the board.

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Thread Titled: In unanimous resolution, Palo Alto school district challenges federal agency

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/06/04/in-unanimous-resolution-palo-alto-school-district-challenges-federal-agency

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Thread Titled: School board releases superintendent contract

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/30/school-board-releases-superintendent-contract

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Posted by hr, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
1 hour ago

@No More Pie . whatever. keep rambling.

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4 hours ago

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Thread Titled: School district leadership fires back at feds

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/31/district-leadership-fires-back-at-feds

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Posted by Mcchrystal, a resident of College Terrace
31 minutes ago

I can’t wait for max’s first briefing on this crap. Hey boss we’re in a shooting war with the Feds over whether we could conceal our sexual harassing principal at Paly while having naked teenagers rampaging across campus a hundred times a month. Plus rape culture! Also we let a disabled girl be punched in the face. Those Feds are the problem. Here’s your rifle max. Go get em. This clown car of Charlie Foxtrots is about to have a new boss. Wonder how that’ll go?

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57 minutes ago

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Posted by Fact check, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
22 minutes ago

“Why is PAUSD driving a red Ferrari within the speed limits and abiding by the laws as shown by all the cases the motorcycle policeman has bought being thrown out of court? There is nothing inherently wrong with driving a red Ferrrari abiding by the laws. “

This statement is false. PAUSD is one of the few districts in the country to have been found guilty of violating federal civil rights law for failing to protect a child suffering from disability-based harassment. The district also entered into a resolution agreement to settle another case, in which they failed to follow correct 504 procedures.

You can assert that these cases are too minor to matter, but it does not help your case to attempt to strengthen it with falsehoods.

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Posted by Fact check, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
4 hours ago

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Thread Titled: Women tell of high school partners who harassed, assaulted them

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/23/women-tell-of-high-school-partners-who-harassed-assaulted-them

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Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto
41 minutes ago
Hmmm is a registered user.

Seriously, why aren’t you responding appropriately to my questions? The questions are relevant. How are my questions affecting the safety of the victims? Answer: they aren’t.

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Thread Titled: Glenn ‘Max’ McGee accepts Palo Alto superintendent job

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/23/glenn-max-mcgee-offered-palo-alto-superintendent-job

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
22 minutes ago
@Chill Pill – The following is part of my recent post:

“….
When the new principal of Palo Alto high was announced last year, the Weekly published an article titled: “New Paly Principal Knows Her Way Around Campus” (link #8). Again – the second part of the broom quote comes to mind.

The following is a partial list of questions I asked myself, particularly in light of the recently published allegations around the prior principal’s actions and his subsequent demotion.

I do hope that these questions were properly considered:

1. Was Ms. Diorio aware of the sexual harassment allegations that were investigated by PAUSD officials before those became a cause for PAUSD official’s investigation?
1.1 – If Ms. Diorio was aware of the allegations:
1.1.1 Where did she take the info?
1.1.2 – If she was aware, and did not forward the info, why didn’t she? (Was it because she was afraid of retaliation?)
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1.2 If Ms. Diorio was not aware of the allegations -

1.2.1 Was she approachable to the woman who felt harassed?
1.2.2 How come she was not aware?
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2. Streaking, campus culture, etc. sampling -


The above copied from my blog- Web Link

I wonder if you think that these questions are called for, especially given the fact that the community was not aware of the circumstances behind the departure of the previous principal?

After #1;

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
2 hours ago

@Chill Pill – The following is part of my recent post:

“….
When the new principal of Palo Alto high was announced last year, the Weekly published an article titled: “New Paly Principal Knows Her Way Around Campus” (link #8). Again – the second part of the broom quote comes to mind.

The following is a partial list of questions I asked myself, particularly in light of the recently published allegations around the prior principal’s actions and his subsequent demotion.

I do hope that these questions were properly considered:

1. Was Ms. Diorio aware of the sexual harassment allegations that were investigated by PAUSD officials before those became a cause for PAUSD official’s investigation?
1.1 – If Ms. Diorio was aware of the allegations:
1.1.1 Where did she take the info?
1.1.2 – If she was aware, and did not forward the info, why didn’t she? (Was it because she was afraid of retaliation?)
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1.2 If Ms. Diorio was not aware of the allegations -

1.2.1 Was she approachable to the woman who felt harassed?
1.2.2 How come she was not aware?
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2. Streaking, campus culture, etc. sampling -

I wonder if you think that these questions are called for, especially given the fact that the community was not aware of the circumstances behind the departure of the previous principal?

Comment: The line “The above copied from my blog- Web Link”  disappeared without a note that portion was removed. 

 

After #2:

I posted the following, comment #2:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
2 hours ago

@Moderator – You forgot to place [portion removed] when you removed my citing of the above -

The above copied from my blog- Web Link

Will you kindly add [portion removed]? or, will you kindly remove the above post altogether? I do wonder why you remove source citing.

After #3:

Comment #2 disappeared completely. I posted comment #3:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
10 minutes ago

I am posting, again, below, a comment I posted yesterday. This comment was removed completely without leaving a trace that I ever posted:

@Moderator – You forgot to place [portion removed] when you removed my citing of the above -

The above copied from my blog- Web Link

Will you kindly add [portion removed]? or, will you kindly remove the above post altogether? I do wonder why you remove source citing.

After -#4 – final:

My comment above responding to Chill Pill vanished along comment #3.  I do appreciate the moderator responding to my request, removing my original post altogether if [portion removed]  is not added. However, I cannot understand why the moderator insisted on editing my original post without  even  indicating that my post was edited.

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Thread Titled: Title IX issues raised in latest federal civil-rights case

 

Link: http://paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/05/23/title-ix-issues-raised-in-latest-federal-civil-rights-case

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Posted by Isn’t Title IX a store on Hamilton Street?, a resident of Community Center
7 minutes ago

Well done Charles Young. You will be getting the best fruit basket of all time this Christmas from Fagan Friedman and Fulfrost. You can put it next to your lump of coal from the taxpayers.

After:

Posted by Isn’t Title IX a store on Hamilton Street?, a resident of Community Center
8 hours ago

[Post removed.]

Comment – Thread Restricted.

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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
33 minutes ago

George Orwell is a registered user.

Bravo! Restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” G. Orwell

Looking back I would have articulated a bit more:
Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed, when someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.

After:

Vanished.

May 25, 2014 Comment – the above comment  was re-posted after I noted the above. So far it was not removed.

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Thread Titled: School board heads to Illinois to vet superintendent nominee

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/21/school-board-heads-to-illinois-to-vet-superintendent-nominee

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Posted by geez, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
58 minutes ago

Someone got the wrong memo. Re: Charles Young, it should have been FIRING him, not FLYING him around.

This sort of things just costs us money and makes those who have to make the decision feel sorry for him. That’s how someone that incompetent manages to keep hanging on.

After:

Posted by geez, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 21, 2014 at 11:17 pm

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Posted by Kevin, a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
1 hour ago

Kevin is a registered user.

@parent Yes. There are people in Palo Alto who will complain about EVERYTHING, no matter what the decision is.

After:

Posted by Kevin, a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 pm

Kevin is a registered user.

[Post removed.]

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Posted by geez, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
13 minutes ago

And yet, incompetent people like Charles Young are still pulling 6-figure salaries and going on junkets with people who should be sending him packing (and I don’t mean for more junkets).

After:

Posted by geez, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 22, 2014 at 12:14 am

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Thread Titled: Wisconsin principal named to head Gunn High School

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/16/wisconsin-principal-named-to-head-gunn-high-school

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Posted by Paly Alum, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
37 minutes ago
Paly Alum is a registered user.

If this principal had a cheating scandal at her high school, it means she was letting the teachers run the show instead of being the enforcer for less stress on students. Sounds like she is a figurehead who is coming to Palo Alto for the salary rather than making any positive changes.

After:

Posted by Paly Alum, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
8 hours ago

Paly Alum is a registered user.

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Before:

Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
51  minutes ago
George Orwell is a registered user.

bravo! restrict the thread, silence the discussion!

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Posted by Best Wishes, a resident of Fairmeadow
11 minutes ago

@Palo Alto Native:

Agreed, the Chinese influx has had a profound impact on the values and culture in our high schools. The myopic focus on grades and “perceived” intelligence has increased competition for “grades” versus “education,” which has increased cheating in order to achieve “grades.” I’m not blaming the Chinese immigrants for the cheating, only the clash of cultures that has resulted in kids trying to be successful in a blended culture. Chinese culture has kids studying constantly with few distractions while American kids are more engaged in sports and extra-curricular activities that take time away from studying.

Sparty commented, “there is more than one type of “Asian.”” Personally, I have found most of the Asian cultures to be very similar to each other when viewed in contrast to the American. In any case, Chinese-Americans are the majority of Asians here in Palo Alto and thus their culture stands out as the predominant “Asian” stereotype. If someone wants to make a case for how the various Asian cultures differ when it comes to education I would be very interested to learn.

Of course, those originating from India are also Asian, though most people do not even realize it and thus do not lump them in to the “Asian” stereotype.

After:

Posted by Best Wishes, a resident of Fairmeadow
on May 18, 2014 at 11:24 pm

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Posted by Cheesy, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
2 hours ago
Denise Herrmann will be adequate, not a star in any respect, stars won’t be applying to Palo Alto for at least three years, or until the new superintendent and board can stop the hemorrhaging of suicides, OCR, rape culture, Brown Act violations, counseling quality, and a whole bunch of lawsuits, or what is also know as the reign of last seven years of Kevin Skelly. Herrmann has had a difficult 2013 in Middleton, there was motivation to leave, and that is common. Don’t expect much of her and you will be satisfied.

After:

Posted by Cheesy, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 17, 2014 at 7:13 am

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
23 minutes ago
“Just recalling” provided above link to a Campanile article about recent cheating in AP Psych- Web Link.
The article seem to reflect an ongoing cultural issue – Out of the mouth of Palo alto High school journalist.

Is anyone aware of any follow up?

The following comment was posted on July 13th, 2013 on the thread which brought us the news about PAUSD board’s secret meetings – Web Link

Posted by insider, a resident of another community
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 am

Phil Winston’s departure was welcomed by nearly all PAHS teachers. Only thing better would be that it happened sooner. He made a mockery of school policies Re: cheating, grading, & attendance. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

“Insiders”s original comment (before being edited) can be found here – Web Link

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on May 18, 2014 at 3:33 pm

“Just recalling” provided above link to a Campanile article about recent cheating in AP Psych- Web Link.
The article seem to reflect an ongoing cultural issue – Out of the mouth of Palo alto High school journalist.

Is anyone aware of any follow up?

The following comment was posted on July 13th, 2013 on the thread which brought us the news about PAUSD board’s secret meetings – Web Link

Posted by insider, a resident of another community
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 am

Phil Winston’s departure was welcomed by nearly all PAHS teachers. Only thing better would be that it happened sooner. He made a mockery of school policies Re: cheating, grading, & attendance. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

[Portion removed.]

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Thread Titled: Board selects top candidate to lead Palo Alto schools

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/16/board-selects-top-candidate-to-lead-palo-alto-schools#comment_form

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Posted by parent, a resident of Community Center
5 minutes ago
volunteer,

It’s become really clear that the same complainers pop up on TS with some very bitter positions. It would be nice to say to ignore them, but I agree that there appears to give pleasure to some people to actually do the district harm.

Whatever happened to Edmund Burke anyway. The naysayers seem to have lost a leader who has a name, even if it was a fake name. What remains are village fool,re-posting the same stories over and over again to stir the pot, ad re-directing to his/her blog.

After:

Posted by parent, a resident of Community Center
15 hours ago

[Post removed.]

Comment:- Thread locked, completely.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@Moderator – May I suggest, respectfully to consider linking this thread also to the ‘Schools & Kids” category (it is ‘around town’ now).

After:

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@Peter Carpenter – You are stunned, rightfully so. Thank you for taking the time to write trivial common sense.
“This is the way they work. If they do not talk about it, maybe people will think that the problem does not exist.” – Ms. Gaona Mendoza Web Link

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on May 18, 2014 at 10:46 pm

@Peter Carpenter – You are stunned, rightfully so. Thank you for taking the time to write trivial common sense.
“This is the way they work. If they do not talk about it, maybe people will think that the problem does not exist.” – Ms. Gaona Mendoza
[Portion removed.]

Comment: The “portion Removed” is a link to my post sharing my take   about Ms. Gaona -Mendoza’s quote. I saw many links to other blogs, made by the bloggers  that remained intact.

I started this blog since i was deleted many times, and I could not understand the censoring.

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0 minutes ago

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After:

Gone, obviously. I actually think that this is a decent post, I cannot see how I violated to terms of use here.

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Thread Tilted: Overdevelopment Humor – The Joke’s Not Just on Us!

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/16/overdevelopment-humor—the-jokes-not-just-on-us

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Original post made by Greenacres on May 16, 2014

These things come up everyday, we may as well share them:Hey East Meadow, the Chicago River called, they want St. Patrick’s Day back!(Go drive up East Meadow from El Camino Wy, you’ll get it, and the next one:)What’s the treatment for eyesores?Please share your overdevelopment humor here
Comments (1)

Posted by Greenacres, a resident of Green Acres
17 minutes ago

The answer from someone else in the household:

What the treatment for eyesores?

There’s no cure, but a successful elective procedure could stop the cancerous growth…

After:

I cannot find this thread.

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Thread Titled: Principals named for Addison, Fairmeadow and Ohlone

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/06/principals-named-for-addison-fairmeadow-and-ohlone

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
19 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.

Off-topic comment:

@Crescent Park Dad – as it turns out, nobody wants to “just sign up. Use your screen name and you can still comment”, especially when it is about schools & kids.
This occurrence had me start a thread back on June 2013 Asking:
@recent and frequent commentators – will you kindly share why you stop posting when threads become available only to those who are logged in?

Here is a link: Web Link

(“Nice Haircut”s comment, before it was edited, can be found on my blog – Web Link)

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on May 13, 2014 at 12:49 am

village fool is a registered user.

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Posted by Althouse in the outhouse, a resident of Jordan Middle School
52 minutes ago

Threats, capricious retaliation, lies, and horrible follow through are our experiences with him at Jordan. He acts like he knows what he is doing and tries to snow parents, but he is criminally under informed on education law. Pretty face and nice manners hide total lack of content. Fast track grooming him for principal position is going to backfire big time. Cost the city and our kids big time.

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Posted by Althouse in the outhouse, a resident of Jordan Middle School
1 hour ago

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Posted by congratulations, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
33 minutes ago

Feel sorry,

As a non-IEP, I am concerned for the rest of the kids whose admins spend nearly all of their time and efforts on IEP’s.

An “Individualized Education Program” can’t be easy for teachers, students, parents or admins in the big schools. I can’t imagine an angel being good at it.

When you hear of the litigious special ed situations, the familiar complaints here on TS which appear to be the same person sometimes, it sounds pretty bad. All it takes is one or two of these hard cases to overwhelm a district, the same must happen at each school, and each classroom.

Given the negative tones from you and Where is the beef, I wonder, do you volunteer at the schools? Do you run some traditions for the kids? Do you contribute to PIE?

After:

Posted by congratulations, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 10, 2014 at 9:54 am

Feel sorry,

As a non-IEP, I am concerned for the rest of the kids whose admins spend nearly all of their time and efforts on IEP’s.

An “Individualized Education Program” can’t be easy for teachers, students, parents or admins in the big schools. I can’t imagine an angel being good at it.

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Posted by congratulations, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
24 minutes ago

Outhouse,

From what I have heard, TS can protect you only so much from attacking someone personally here. If you’re lucky, they can catch your comment and erase it. If I were the individuals who get slandered here, I would follow through and find you and make you famous.

So much for congratulating the new Principals here. Saying something nice seems to get others angry.

I’m out of here.

After:

Posted by congratulations, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
45 minutes ago

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Thread Titled: Palo Alto school board members praise counseling reforms

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/07/palo-alto-school-board-members-praise-counseling-reforms

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Posted by Pleeze, a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
3 hours ago

Haven’t we all had enough of the BS from the current Supe and Board? This article only reminds me of everything that has been wrong with the current regime and I can’t wait for Tom and Mitchell to leave along with Skelly.

Time for a a whole district tune up starting with honesty.

Enough Pleeeeeeeze!

After:

Posted by Pleeze, a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
8 hours ago

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

Question:  Does the “post removed due to same poster using multiple names” end justify the  “IP Address” means? What about comments vanishing without a trace?

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Thread titled: New OCR case opened as another is closed

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/05/new-ocr-case-opened-as-another-is-closed

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Posted by Mom, a resident of Green Acres
36 minutes ago

It could also have something to do with the fact that sexual harassment is a high national issue, at the White House, on TV, in the newspapers — this is a top priority for our country.

I am having trouble with these people who are suggesting that there is something wrong with stopping rape. Is this a Republican Party stronghold? Is it that it’s not “legitimate rape” if it happens in PAUSD? What the hell is wrong with you people? This is sexual abuse of our students. Some people are brave enough to stand up for victims. All you can do is wonder why our excellent district is being inestigated?

Here’s the reason: because of rape.

Do you like rape? Do you like sexual assault? Do you have some problem with the feds coming to protect our girls? Someone had to do it. Maybe they should have asked Phil Winston to protect them. After he got done stroking their ears and commenting on their naked boobs and backrubboing the teachers and asking the boys if they got a lot of pussy I’m sure he would have rushed right to the task. Or maybe Charles Young would have helped them, just as soon as five years into the job he attended his training on sexual assault and learned what Title IX was.

Get real. Rape is serious. Dating violence is serious. Stop defending the indefensible.

after:

Posted by Mom, a resident of Green Acres
3 hours ago

It could also have something to do with the fact that sexual harassment is a high national issue, at the White House, on TV, in the newspapers — this is a top priority for our country.

I am having trouble with these people who are suggesting that there is something wrong with stopping rape. Is this a Republican Party stronghold? Is it that it’s not “legitimate rape” if it happens in PAUSD? What the hell is wrong with you people? This is sexual abuse of our students. Some people are brave enough to stand up for victims. All you can do is wonder why our excellent district is being inestigated?

Here’s the reason: because of rape.

Do you like rape? Do you like sexual assault? Do you have some problem with the feds coming to protect our girls? Someone had to do it. [Portion removed.]

Get real. Rape is serious. Dating violence is serious. Stop defending the indefensible.

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Posted by an idea, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
2 hours ago

Perhaps the large # of cases against PAUSD reflects the need for training cases for overeager Stanford Law students and their faculty advisers working pro bono?

After:

Posted by an idea, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
8 hours ago

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Thread Titled: What can be done about teachers being too rigorous?

Link :http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/28/what-can-be-done-about-teachers-being-too-rigorous

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Posted by perhaps, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hours ago

well done everyone,

Your handle says plenty and you go on to make yourself sound very smart. What role do teachers have? Most industries self-regulate to some extent. They make themselves better, and I’m not referring to the millions of dollars that the district spends on professional development, which does nothing to correct a real problem.

I will go with mom of teenager’s definition of the problem. “There are some teachers, thankfully not too many, that simply shouldn’t be teaching. They are deliberately mean. They don’t teach the subject. They simply don’t care if the kids learn or even worse, enjoy making them miserable.” or your definition “It’s not that some teachers aren’t problems, anyone would acknowledge that.”

The schools are unresponsive. You can’t work with anyone that is unresponsive. The suggestion for parents to work together is interesting, how? If TS makes teachers defensive, try parents working together against a teacher. Parents and students don’t have time to work on dealing with a problem teacher they will never have again, there are no brownie points for complaining.

Parents and students leave, teachers stay – what do teachers do about this issue?

After:

Posted by perhaps, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
15 hours ago

well done everyone,

[Portion removed.]
What role do teachers have? Most industries self-regulate to some extent. They make themselves better, and I’m not referring to the millions of dollars that the district spends on professional development, which does nothing to correct a real problem.

I will go with mom of teenager’s definition of the problem. “There are some teachers, thankfully not too many, that simply shouldn’t be teaching. They are deliberately mean. They don’t teach the subject. They simply don’t care if the kids learn or even worse, enjoy making them miserable.” or your definition “It’s not that some teachers aren’t problems, anyone would acknowledge that.”

The schools are unresponsive. You can’t work with anyone that is unresponsive. The suggestion for parents to work together is interesting, how? If TS makes teachers defensive, try parents working together against a teacher. Parents and students don’t have time to work on dealing with a problem teacher they will never have again, there are no brownie points for complaining.

Parents and students leave, teachers stay – what do teachers do about this issue?

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Thread Titled: What happened to home delivery of the Weekly?

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/03/what-happened-to-home-delivery-of-the-weekly

Before:

Original post made by i like to read thepaper! on May 3, 2014

I just realized that I haven’t seen the print Weekly come to my house for a while. I know they switched to a newspaper delivery system, and I got that when they first switched, but it hasn’t been coming for over a month. Is everyone else still receiving it?
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Comments (1)
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Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto
8 hours ago

i like to read thepaper!,
May I try to help? Kindly check this thread, you may find the information you are seeking- Web Link
I was pleased to see that the thread I listed above was restricted. While even I cannot understand the reason, I commend any action taken to promote my books, and show that my writings are very relevant in the “New World”, thirty years after 1984.

After:

I cannot find this thread. It was listed under “Palo Alto issues”.

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Thread Titled: Three preparing bids for Palo Alto school board

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/05/02/three-preparing-bids-for-palo-alto-school-board

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
3 hours ago

@Moderator -
Thank you for not “deleting me” completely!

I am grateful.
I do count my blessing.

After:

Gone. Vanished. My post remained intact for a while, I thought that this may be a good sign as to the way my comments are treated, but  I was wrong, again. No trace that I even posted. I posted four times on this thread. Two postings disappeared without a trace, one of those was my suggestion to move the thread to the appropriate category. The thread was moved, my respectful suggestion disappeared.

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Posted by Kool Aid Sounds Good Actually, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
2 minutes ago

@Dislike Mean Posts – yes, I do think my post added value. The prior post accused residents of having a false belief that the schools are good quality. Pointing out that the housing prices are high, largely I believe because of the schools’ reputation, suggests that the poster’s broad generalization is probably wrong. Not sure why you found that low value or mean – it just stated the fact and pointed out the relationship. While I disagreed, I don’t see how it denigrated the previous poster (though that poster accused all of us of “drinking the cool-aid” which seemed kind of mean to me).

You think go on to mock me for observing that it is hard to judge other school districts that your kids don’t attend. While you are right that you can research districts, looking at SARC reports and API scores is in my view a too limited way of judging school quality. As an teacher one told me, API scores tell you more about the price and homogeneity of the homes near the school than the quality of the teaching in it. That was well said I think. So I’m honestly not sure how I would judge the quality of, say, others districts on the Peninsula, much less in other parts of the country, given the differences in demographics, income, etc. So I stand by my comment.

“Sorry, but posts that add no value and only seek to denigrate others who are actively trying to contribute intelligently to the discussion really irritate me.”

Not to be judg-y, but I think it would fair to say that your post was mean to mean (you mocked me!) and didn’t add much value. But that’s ok! I’m not irritated, even though you are – it’s all just part of the conversation.

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Posted by Kool Aid Sounds Good Actually, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
10 minutes ago

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Posted by Dislike Mean Posts, a resident of Community Center
1 hour ago

@Kool Aid Sounds Good Actually: Do you really feel you are adding value to the discussion? Just curious and would like to hear how.

P.S.

>> “Not fooling anyone except for those folks paying up to rent and buy houses.” Your sentence in grammatically incorrect. WHO is “not fooling anyone?” You are missing the subject of the sentence!

2) “Personally I don’t know how PA schools compare to others…” You need a comma after “Personally.”

Your kids only attend in one district? How unusual! Guess what? You can actually research on the internet how your district compares to others! You don’t actually have to move your kids around or split them among many districts to understand how different districts compare!

Sorry, but posts that add no value and only seek to denigrate others who are actively trying to contribute intelligently to the discussion really irritate me. If you’re going to correct others, make darn sure you are perfect! (Or stop thinking you are superior and think of something of valuable to add.)

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Posted by Dislike Mean Posts, a resident of Community Center
1 hour ago

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
1 hour ago

@Moderator – May I, respectfully, suggest to link this thread also to the schools & kids category? (it is in “around town” now)

After:

Gone. Thread moved to the  school & kids category. You are very welcome!

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
23 minutes ago

The removed posts of ‘Kool Aid Sounds Good Actually’ and ‘Dislike Mean Posts” along my deleted/vanished post can be found on a page I dedicated to the “editing”/censoring listing comments Before & After – Web Link

(I suggested to link/move this thread to the Schools & kids category. This thread was linked/moved to the schools & kids category. My post disappeared, completely, without a trace I ever posted).

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
9 hours ago

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community

13 minutes ago

@Dislike Mean Posts – please count your blessings. Your posts do not vanish, a trace is left.

My dialog with ThoughtPolice can be found here- Web Link

I also noted:
Thank you ThoughtPolice! I am honoured. Please relay my best regards and my wholehearted compliments to BigBrother! Fine work, indeed.

My postings vanished. No trace that I had a dialog with ThoughtPolice. This is a shame, since I did quote Orwell on my Dec 8Th, 2013 post –
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”.

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
9 hours ago

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Thread Titled: School board to discuss semi-finalists for Skelly replacement

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/29/school-board-to-discuss-semi-finalists-for-skelly-replacement

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
13 minutes ago

@Moderator – May I, respectfully, suggest to link this thread also to the schools & kids category?

After:

Gone. Vanished. Thread moved the Kids and schools. You are very welcome.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
9  minutes ago
@Moderator – Thank you for moving the thread to the school & kids category.

I’ll deeply appreciate if you could let me know why my earlier comment suggesting, respectfully, to link this thread to this category was remove without a trace?

I was ‘deleted”, completely, many times while other seemingly similar comments remained intact.
While I am trying to follow the terms of use, I am confused.

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Thread Titled: School board ponders health benefits for its own members

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/25/school-board-ponders-health-benefits-for-its-own-members

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Posted by TheRub, a resident of Mountain View
13 minutes ago
Board member Dana Tom said he does not support adding health coverage for board members:
“It rubs me the wrong way,” he said. “I know most districts provide it and I think most districts should not, and that’s been our practice for as long as I’ve been on the board.”

That is his justification? It “rubs him the wrong way”? I wonder why he doesn’t feel the need to receive health insurance? A public record search on this elected official shows that his house is worth over $5,000,000! Web Link

What “rubs me the wrong way” is the fact that a very wealthy individual like “Lord Tom” is fighting to prevent a benefit that would allow the less affluent the ability to serve on the board.

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Posted by TheRub, a resident of Mountain View
10 hours ago

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Posted by TheRub, a resident of Mountain View
39 minutes ago

Wow. Why was my posting removed? I just pointed out that Dana Tom was opposing a benefit that would allow less affluent members to serve on the board.

Was it because I provided a link to the Zillow page for his 5+ million dollar mansion??

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
8 minutes ago
@TheRub – I happened to see your post before it was removed. Your removed post can be found now here – Web Link (a page in my blog, dedicated to the censoring, Before &After).

I do not know why your post was removed. The link you provided was only part of your perspective on this issue, which was detailed in your removed post.

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Both comments, TheRub’s and mine gone. vanished.

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Posted by ThoughtPolice, a resident of Mountain View
4 hours ago

I keep getting my posting removed regarding this issue. It is fact-based and respectful. Can someone please tell me why?

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
4 hours ago
Off topic comment -
@ThoughtPolice – back on June, 2013 I started a thread asking for feedback on the same type of issues. Web Link
I got some interesting responses. The thread was restricted, fast.As it turns out – June 2013 was a very eventful month.
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Posted by ThoughtPolice, a resident of Mountain View
2 hours ago
Ah, I see the problem. The terms of use was violated:”You agree not to… post any information..,that is offensive to any individual, group or class of person.”Since everything posted is most certainly to offend SOMEONE, every post should be deleted.I now formally file a protest on all postings made to paloaltoonline.com as offensive to myself. Staff is instructed to purge the database immediately!
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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community

2 hours ago
Off topic, again -
@ThoughtPolice- I respectfully disagree. Wishing you a nice day will not be offensive to anyone.
Until Staff follows your instructions, you are welcome to check a page I dedicated to this issue, posting comments Before & After Staff editing- Web Link

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Posted by ThoughtPolice, a resident of Mountain View
2 hours ago

Village fool,
” I respectfully disagree. Wishing you a nice day will not be offensive to anyone. “

My goal is to have fabulous days so when someone wishes me to only have a “nice day”, I am offended. :)

Great Blog! I’ve bookmarked it and will be a regular reader! Thank you for preserving the postings.

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Posted by ThoughtPolice, a resident of Mountain View

on Apr 27, 2014 at 8:22 pm

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

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Posted by ThoughtPolice, a resident of Mountain View
on Apr 27, 2014 at 9:45 pm

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

.Comment: Thank you ThoughtPolice! I am honoured. Please relay my best regards  and my wholehearted compliments to BigBrother! Fine work, indeed.
My postings vanished. No trace that I had a dialog with ThoughtPolice. This is a shame, since I did quote Orwell on my Dec 8Th, 2013 post  –
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”.

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Thread Titled: In-depth report: How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/06/14/out-of-the-shadows#comment_form

Before (4/18/2014):

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
39 minutes ago

This article/thread was published on Friday, June 14th, 2013 – almost a year ago.

On June 17th, 2013 I wrote, above: “… I think of the Federal investigation as the first, alarming lab result. Transparency and accountability will be the first signs of change. I must be missing something.”

On January 15th, 2014 I wrote, above: “…I am sorry. I did not understand.
My questions – How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying? What have changed?”

I am sorry-
I still am missing something.
And I still do not understand How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying? What have changed?

After:

Gone. Thread locked. No more commenting.

I posted  again, today Friday, 4/18/2014, twice.  I cannot understand or see any change, and I do not understand why stating  my inability to see any change in PAUSD is a cause to have my  comment removed, completely.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on Apr 11, 2014 at 4:43 pm

On June 17th, 2013 I wrote, above: “…I must be missing something.”

On January 15th, 2014 I wrote, above: “…I am sorry. I did not understand.
My questions – How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying? What have changed?”

This article/thread was published on Friday, June 14th, 2013. It so happens that this date – June 14th, 2013 – was explicitly mentioned in the article published today, dealing with Palo Alto High school.

I am sorry-
I still am missing something.
And I still do not understand How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying? What have changed?

2.

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
4 minutes ago

I’m sorry, I still do not understand.

1. How a federal inquiry is changing the way schools respond to bullying?
2. What have changed?

After:

Both comments gone. Both were removed, completely, on 4/16/2014 , less than half an hour after after I posted comment #2.

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Thread Titled: Superintendent evaluation news needed

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/08/superintendent-evaluation-news-needed

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on Apr 11, 2014 at 6:59 pm

@Evaluate this! -
I am taking this opportunity to let you know that I used your “old pesky First Amendment”, above, on Feb 22nd in my post relating to the atmosphere/culture of silence and few unfortunate derivatives. – Web Link

I wrote many times my belief that anything and everything is possible where there is no accountability, no transparency etc. Fear of retaliation is just one of the very reasonable results of such culture. It is a very slippery road.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on Apr 11, 2014 at 6:59 pm

[Post removed.]

Comment: My post was removed couple of days after I posted. Usually, the removal happens faster.

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Thread Titled: Magical Bridge playground surges toward reality

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/17/magical-bridge-playground-surges-toward-reality

Before:

Posted by Koi Pi, a resident of Old Palo Alto
28 minutes ago

I find it interesting that the Palo Alto Weekly chose to remove so many posts regarding the Ass’t City Manager leaving for San Jose and then close the blog to any further comment. Seems kind of childish. What are they afraid of? If the Weekly chooses to post city press releases why not let residents comment on them? All posts removed were intelligent and well worded, yet, Weekly editors chose to censor even the mildest criticisms. What a pity!

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Thread Titled: Student streaking: Alarm over mixed messages

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/student-streaking-alarm-over-mixed-messages

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Posted by Spectator at Large, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
6 minutes ago
Spectator at Large is a registered user.
Winston’s Comments About Student’s Breasts Are Totally Unacceptable!!!!

Having reviewed the article about streaking and comments by various posters I would like to state unequivocally that Winston’s viewing of breasts, as evidenced by his comments to other students, is an outrage. It is said that a principal sets the tone at a school and it would appear that he was very successful at setting a tone where students felt it was not only OK to streak and that there would be no severe consequence for such behavior.

I don’t understand how it is legal for students to strip and run through campus while if they did the same thing at T and C across the Embarcadero they would be arrested.

The safety and well being of our students includes an environment where they shouldn’t have to even think about whether they are going to have to see a butt naked body paraded in front of them. I am not a prude and have in fact gone to many clothing optional places in my life including nude beaches and retreat centers; however, to my knowledge Palo Alto High School has never been written up as a “clothing optional institution” and it should be made known to students that they will be suspended instead of may be suspended for violating the safe environment that students and parents feel they are providing their students during school hours.

The fact that Winston apparently enjoyed the show is disturbing. Perhaps he was truly concerned with the pain the girls boobs would be experiencing and had to verify that with a student. This is totally inappropriate. How about if Katya was witnessing a streaking incident at Gunn and leaned over to a male student stating, “that must be painful for the students private parts”. Hey, they are called “private parts” for a reason. You can show them to anyone you wish to in private.

I hope that the commenters on the streaking thread like True Blue aren’t parents of potential Ivy League bound students who are just trying to keep a suspension off their child’s record. Hey parents, why not teach your children some accountability by letting them accept the consequences of their highly offensive actions. Quit giving students who commit punishable actions the lighter sentence and perhaps some of these activities will stop.

Streaking is not just “youthful highjinks” and should not be tolerated. Perhaps with Winston not at the helm we will have a top administrator at Paly who holds our students to a higher standard of behavior.

There used to be a “Naked Guy” attending Cal. Perhaps the young men who need to take off their clothes to feel liberated or make a statement can do so when they get into a prestigious university. Just bring a towel with you to sit on in the classroom.

After:

Posted by Spectator at Large, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
45 minutes ago

Spectator at Large is a registered user.

Winston’s Comments About Student’s Breasts Are Totally Unacceptable!!!!

Having reviewed the article about streaking and comments by various posters I would like to state unequivocally that Winston’s viewing of breasts, as evidenced by his comments to other students, is an outrage. It is said that a principal sets the tone at a school and it would appear that he was very successful at setting a tone where students felt it was not only OK to streak and that there would be no severe consequence for such behavior.

I don’t understand how it is legal for students to strip and run through campus while if they did the same thing at T and C across the Embarcadero they would be arrested.

The safety and well being of our students includes an environment where they shouldn’t have to even think about whether they are going to have to see a butt naked body paraded in front of them. I am not a prude and have in fact gone to many clothing optional places in my life including nude beaches and retreat centers; however, to my knowledge Palo Alto High School has never been written up as a “clothing optional institution” and it should be made known to students that they will be suspended instead of may be suspended for violating the safe environment that students and parents feel they are providing their students during school hours.

The fact that Winston apparently enjoyed the show is disturbing. Perhaps he was truly concerned with the pain the girls boobs would be experiencing and had to verify that with a student. This is totally inappropriate. How about if Katya was witnessing a streaking incident at Gunn and leaned over to a male student stating, “that must be painful for the students private parts”. Hey, they are called “private parts” for a reason. You can show them to anyone you wish to in private.

[Portion removed.] Hey parents, why not teach your children some accountability by letting them accept the consequences of their highly offensive actions. Quit giving students who commit punishable actions the lighter sentence and perhaps some of these activities will stop.

Streaking is not just “youthful highjinks” and should not be tolerated. Perhaps with Winston not at the helm we will have a top administrator at Paly who holds our students to a higher standard of behavior.

There used to be a “Naked Guy” attending Cal. Perhaps the young men who need to take off their clothes to feel liberated or make a statement can do so when they get into a prestigious university. Just bring a towel with you to sit on in the classroom.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
2 minutes ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

I think the real problem is that under Phil Winston, this was treated as a joke and there were no consequences. This evidently created a situation in which there were hordes of naked teenage girls bouncing off the campus walls. Enter Phil Winston, who evidently did not realize it was creepy to (1) be striding about among the naked teenage girls sporting his chill soul patch and (2) extra ultra creepy to be commenting on their bodies as he did so. “Does that make her boobs hurt?” I just threw up in my mouth thinking about that.

News travels fast I guess — my daughter texted me from her college: “did you hear about Mr. Winston? I always thought there was something off about him. Now we know why.” Indeed.

After:

Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
9 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

I think the real problem is that under Phil Winston, this was treated as a joke and there were no consequences. This evidently created a situation in which there were hordes of naked teenage girls bouncing off the campus walls. [Portion removed.]

News travels fast I guess — my daughter texted me from her college: “did you hear about Mr. Winston? I always thought there was something off about him. Now we know why.” Indeed.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
59 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

Please note that one of the comments for which Winston was disciplined was for commenting on the naked breasts of a student who streaked to another student. First, he set the circumstances for streaking to not just occur but to become epidemic. The report is that there were 100 cases in a single month. There are 20 school days per month at most. That means 5 naked students per day.

After having set that stage, Winston evidently then watched a naked female student as she ran across campus, watching her breasts move up and down, then commented on her moving breasts that he had just watched to another female child.

Winston was the principal. He created an environment that was alleged by the teachers and found by a district investigation to be a hostile environment, infected with sexual harassment. It is not an accident that in that environment slut-shaming and rape culture flourished as well. All of the various problems — rape culture, harassment of staff, streaking, “black dong,” “getting a lot of pussy,” “don’t her boobs hurt,” ick, gross, disgusting, whatever — WAKE UP PEOPLE — ALL OF IT was the result of the tone set at the top by Winston.

That is what a hostile environment is.

The only remaining question is why the district put that person back in a classroom — not just a classroom but a special ed classroom.

After:

Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
on Apr 16, 2014 at 5:51 am

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

Please note that one of the comments for which Winston was disciplined was for commenting on the naked breasts of a student who streaked to another student. First, he set the circumstances for streaking to not just occur but to become epidemic. The report is that there were 100 cases in a single month. There are 20 school days per month at most. That means 5 naked students per day.

[Portion removed.]

Winston was the principal. He created an environment that was alleged by the teachers and found by a district investigation to be a hostile environment, infected with sexual harassment. [Portion removed.]
That is what a hostile environment is.

The only remaining question is why the district put that person back in a classroom — not just a classroom but a special ed classroom.

 

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Thread Titled: Ex-Paly principal disciplined for harassment

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/ex-paly-principal-disciplined-for-harassment

Before:

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After:

Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
14 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

[Portion removed.]

I wrote:

“On reviewing the materials that were released by the district. . .”

These materials are on the district website: Web Link

The comment was “you must be getting a lot of pussy” was alleged to Scott Bowers by a teacher who said that a [portion removed] student report it to that teacher.

The alleged unwelcome touching of the female staff member including hugging and backrubs (gross) was made by Scott Bowers in Phil’s 45/90 notice. Presumably if Phil rubs his hands on another teacher without consent again, he will really be in trouble!

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Posted by MidtownDad, a resident of Midtown
22 minutes ago
MidtownDad is a registered user.

Sorry but this guy need to go. He needs to be in the district office behind a desk. He should not be in a classroom behind closed doors. Especially with Special Ed students. Another wonderful decision by smelly skelly.
I feel sorry for the parents of his current students. To find out this news now. That this confirmed knowledge had been kept from you. I would spend whole the weekend asking my children if anything odd has happened in class. Then be at school first thing Monday to raise hell.

After:

Posted by MidtownDad, a resident of Midtown
56 minutes ago

MidtownDad is a registered user.

Sorry but this guy need to go. He needs to be in the district office behind a desk. He should not be in a classroom behind closed doors. Especially with Special Ed students. [Portion removed.]

I feel sorry for the parents of his current students. To find out this news now. That this confirmed knowledge had been kept from you. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
10 minutes ago
Edmund Burke is a registered user.
The school board has failed in every way that it is possible for a public body to fail its constituents. This is a sad cautionary tale of how bad things can get when elected officials consistently and over a long period of time fail to exercise oversight, and fail to act with appropriate transparency and accountability. No one can feel anything but shame and disgust reading this account of what appears to be a massive government failure — a failure that continues. Should Phil Winston continue to work in a classroom with special ed children, many of them on the spectrum, many who are unable to express themselves verbally? No.

Winston said to one student that she needed to allow her boyfriend to perform oral sex on her, commented on another student’s naked breasts (after he allowed her to run naked exposing her breasts to him, and then said to a staff member that an African American student was “popular with white girls…because of his black dong.” He also was allegedly stroking, touching, and caressing female students in a way that made people very uncomfortable.

Here are just a few of the important questions raised by this story:

1. Did the school board attempt to prevent OCR from investigating rape culture because it wanted to prevent OCR from discovering the dozens of sexual harassment complaints by faculty and students then in its possession? This appears very likely from the timing.

2. The complaints regarding Winston, even absent the rape culture issue, document a serious hostile educational environment under Title IX and possible a hostile work environment based on sexual harassment under Title VII. Was a Title IX investigation conducted? This appears unlikely as no students were interviewed and Rape Culture emerged at the school even after the district investigation.

3. Once the board became aware of the substantiated allegations (dozens of them) against Winston, why did board members place him in a classroom? That rationale should be public so that the public can evaluate their judgment. In particular, Dana Tom, who was the board president at the time, should be required to account to the public for his views.

4. Why was the public actively misled by Skelly and the board about Winston’s departure? At best, they should have given no comment. But the comments that were given appear to be inaccurate, misleading, and improper in my opinion.

What is called for now is moral, intellectual, and ethical clarity. The ethical and right thing to do was to attempt to dismiss Winston and to remove him from the classroom. Even if it would take time. Even if it would be expensive. The Weekly’s reporting here was marvelous, but it’s editorial lacked moral clarity. The big problem here isn’t that it’s hard to fire teachers. It’s that PAUSD did not even try.

After:

Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 11, 2014 at 6:50 pm

Edmund Burke is a registered user.

The school board has failed in every way that it is possible for a public body to fail its constituents. This is a sad cautionary tale of how bad things can get when elected officials consistently and over a long period of time fail to exercise oversight, and fail to act with appropriate transparency and accountability. No one can feel anything but shame and disgust reading this account of what appears to be a massive government failure — a failure that continues. Should Phil Winston continue to work in a classroom with special ed children, many of them on the spectrum, many who are unable to express themselves verbally? No.

Winston said to one student that she needed to allow her boyfriend to perform oral sex on her, commented on another student’s naked breasts (after he allowed her to run naked exposing her breasts to him, and then said to a staff member that an African American student was “popular with white girls…because of his black dong.” [Portion removed.]

Here are just a few of the important questions raised by this story:

1. Did the school board attempt to prevent OCR from investigating rape culture because it wanted to prevent OCR from discovering [portion removed due to misstatement of facts] sexual harassment complaints [portion removed] then in its possession? This appears very likely from the timing.

2. The complaints regarding Winston, even absent the rape culture issue, document a serious hostile educational environment under Title IX and possible a hostile work environment based on sexual harassment under Title VII. Was a Title IX investigation conducted? This appears unlikely as no students were interviewed and Rape Culture emerged at the school even after the district investigation.

3. Once the board became aware of the substantiated allegations (dozens of them) against Winston, why did board members place him in a classroom? That rationale should be public so that the public can evaluate their judgment. In particular, Dana Tom, who was the board president at the time, should be required to account to the public for his views.

4. Why was the public actively misled by Skelly and the board about Winston’s departure? At best, they should have given no comment. But the comments that were given appear to be inaccurate, misleading, and improper in my opinion.

What is called for now is moral, intellectual, and ethical clarity. The ethical and right thing to do was to attempt to dismiss Winston and to remove him from the classroom. Even if it would take time. Even if it would be expensive. The Weekly’s reporting here was marvelous, but it’s editorial lacked moral clarity. The big problem here isn’t that it’s hard to fire teachers. It’s that PAUSD did not even try.

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Posted by peppered, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
2 minutes ago
peppered is a registered user.
Guys like this are very sophisticated. They make sure they behave decently with one set of people while they practice lewd behavior with others. That’s why you see the dichotomy of responses: praise and disgust.

Both groups are right from their own subjective viewpoints.

But the district corroborated the reports from 30 people, mostly staffers (adults). Just because Winston may have behaved well in many cases, that does not excuse his poor behavior in others.

The guy does not belong NEAR a classroom.

Would Skelly feel safe with this guy near his own daughter? Hmmm… no.

But it’s okay for him to be near our daughters?

Nice work Kevin.

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Posted by peppered, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

peppered is a registered user.

Guys like this are very sophisticated. They make sure they behave decently with one set of people while they practice [portion removed] behavior with others. That’s why you see the dichotomy of responses: praise and disgust.

Both groups are right from their own subjective viewpoints.

But the district corroborated the reports from 30 people, mostly staffers (adults). Just because Winston may have behaved well in many cases, that does not excuse his poor behavior in others.

[Portion removed.]

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Posted by Roger Dodger, a resident of another community

2 minutes ago
Roger Dodger is a registered user.

This is a hit piece by a media outlet with another agenda. “Edmund Burke” (who seems to share that agenda to some extent) can intone all he wants to about how “attacking the press is bad form” but the Weekly is hardly The New York Times and it’s been obvious for a while now that they have an editorial agenda of a higher order with regard to the school district. Attacking the press is actually good form when the press is yellow and seeking its own ends, and people on this forum have a right and a responsibility to say that they are disgusted by the tactics of their local paper (muzzling the discussion on this forum when it suits their ends is one highly questionable tactic that comes to mind). There are facts, and then there are *interpretations of facts*, the latter being pretty much everything that’s being said here (including by “Edmund Burke”), the former being truly known only to those involved. (Or, as Rummy would say, “there are a lot of known unknowns.”) Reading the documentation, my own interpretation of the facts is that Winston clearly exhibited some poor behavior and made some poor choices, and also that his intention may have been entirely misinterpreted at times. It also seems to me that he may have been unaware of the fact that his behavior was making others uncomfortable, but that he is not the dangerous serial predator he is being made out to be by the Weekly and other hysterics here. He was perhaps a bit too young for the job and perhaps a bit too eager to please the kids and show that he was hip to their scene. This may have led him to make the classic “young teacher” mistake of not maintaining proper social distance from students, and that social distance is absolutely critical if you are a principal. That also meant that he made certain enemies among the faculty, something which is unavoidable when you are a principal. The man had mountains of accolades when he left his position at Paly; this is hardly the reputation of a serial harasser. Winston clearly was well-liked and did a lot of good by a lot of students and others in his tenure as principal, which is worth remembering. Unfortunately what is done is done, the man’s career and reputation have effectively been ruined, and he will have a difficult path now. The “harm” he may have done pales in comparison to the wreckage the Weekly and the torch-and-pitchfork gang here have done to any semblance of fairness we might have pretended to or hoped for.

As someone who, in a previous job, was accused of being a racist by someone who entirely misinterpreted something I said, I will point out that it’s entirely possible for something similar to have been the case in many of the instances sited here. People get their feelings hurt and misinterpret things all the time. Saying you are uncomfortable or feeling harassed does not, in and of itself, establish any fact other than that your feelings are hurt and you feel harassed. There was and is disagreement about some of the incidents alleged; a lot of this is very fuzzy and the actual *facts* of what was said or what happened are known only to those involved. The single complaint names a number of other teachers, only 4 of whom agreed to be interviewed. Faculty politics is a complicated business, because the stakes are so low (usually involving egos).

The rest of us are just speculating, including “Edmund Burke”.

But let’s not let all that get in the way of ruining a man’s career and reputation. Bring on the torches and pitchforks, we’ve got a mob to form here.

After:

Posted by Roger Dodger, a resident of another community
7 hours ago

Roger Dodger is a registered user.

This is a hit piece by a media outlet with another agenda. “Edmund Burke” (who seems to share that agenda to some extent) can intone all he wants to about how “attacking the press is bad form” but the Weekly is hardly The New York Times and it’s been obvious for a while now that they have an editorial agenda of a higher order with regard to the school district. Attacking the press is actually good form when the press is yellow and seeking its own ends, and people on this forum have a right and a responsibility to say that they are disgusted by the tactics of their local paper (muzzling the discussion on this forum when it suits their ends is one highly questionable tactic that comes to mind). There are facts, and then there are *interpretations of facts*, the latter being pretty much everything that’s being said here (including by “Edmund Burke”), the former being truly known only to those involved. (Or, as Rummy would say, “there are a lot of known unknowns.”) Reading the documentation, my own interpretation of the facts is that Winston clearly exhibited some poor behavior and made some poor choices, and also that his intention may have been entirely misinterpreted at times. It also seems to me that he may have been unaware of the fact that his behavior was making others uncomfortable, but that he is not the dangerous serial predator he is being made out to be by the Weekly and other hysterics here. He was perhaps a bit too young for the job and perhaps a bit too eager to please the kids and show that he was hip to their scene. This may have led him to make the classic “young teacher” mistake of not maintaining proper social distance from students, and that social distance is absolutely critical if you are a principal. That also meant that he made certain enemies among the faculty, something which is unavoidable when you are a principal. The man had mountains of accolades when he left his position at Paly; this is hardly the reputation of a serial harasser. Winston clearly was well-liked and did a lot of good by a lot of students and others in his tenure as principal, which is worth remembering. Unfortunately what is done is done, the man’s career and reputation have effectively been ruined, and he will have a difficult path now. The “harm” he may have done pales in comparison to the wreckage the Weekly and the torch-and-pitchfork gang here have done to any semblance of fairness we might have pretended to or hoped for.

As someone who, in a previous job, was accused of being a racist by someone who entirely misinterpreted something I said, I will point out that it’s entirely possible for something similar to have been the case in many of the instances sited here. People get their feelings hurt and misinterpret things all the time. Saying you are uncomfortable or feeling harassed does not, in and of itself, establish any fact other than that your feelings are hurt and you feel harassed. There was and is disagreement about some of the incidents alleged; a lot of this is very fuzzy and the actual *facts* of what was said or what happened are known only to those involved. The single complaint names a number of other teachers, [portion removed due to factual misstatement.] Faculty politics is a complicated business, because the stakes are so low (usually involving egos).

The rest of us are just speculating, including “Edmund Burke”.

But let’s not let all that get in the way of ruining a man’s career and reputation. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
17 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

One thing that no one has commented on is that Winston’s comment about the black dong isn’t just sexist it’s actively racist. It uses one of the worst and oldest racist stereotypes about black males and suggests that they are oversexed and involved with white girls. It is disgusting and despicable . It makes me want to vomit that this man had anything to do with my children, he now teaches in special Ed in a class that has many black children in it (thanks to disproportionality) from VTP. This is an outrage that that statement alone was not sufficient to issue a 30 day notice. That statement is racist. No one is even talking about that. Please PASS and SEAN get him out of Jordan and away from black children.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
3 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

One thing that no one has commented on is that Winston’s comment about the black dong isn’t just sexist it’s actively racist. It uses one of the worst and oldest racist stereotypes about black males and suggests that they are oversexed and involved with white girls. It is disgusting and despicable. [Portion removed.] This is an outrage that that statement alone was not sufficient to issue a 30 day notice. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by palymother, a resident of Community Center
1 hour ago
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Peppered, I do care. Mr. Winston was an excellent principal when my daughter attended Paly and for my son, now a senior. I have been a high school teacher for over twenty years and as stated above, I blew the whistle on a sexual harassing admin. years ago when I was a department chair.

Mr. Winston is being publicly maligned here. He has a wife and children. He deserves the defense he has paid for with the CTA. Just like the defense i got when I got when I blew the whistle. Where were you “if this happened in industry” types when this went down a year ago? Buying stock? Buying an SAT tutor? Tweeting? Get a job, ladies.

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Posted by palymother, a resident of Community Center
12 hours ago

palymother is a registered user.

Peppered, I do care. Mr. Winston was an excellent principal when my daughter attended Paly and for my son, now a senior. I have been a high school teacher for over twenty years and as stated above, I blew the whistle on a sexual harassing admin. years ago when I was a department chair.

Mr. Winston is being publicly maligned here. He has a wife and children. He deserves the defense he has paid for with the CTA. Just like the defense i got when I got when I blew the whistle. Where were you “if this happened in industry” types when this went down a year ago? Buying stock? Buying an SAT tutor? Tweeting? [Portion removed.]

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
6 minutes ago
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Phil HAD DUE PROCESS. What part of this is so opaque? I thought the reporting in the story was good, so why are so many people confused about whether or not PHIL HAD DUE PROCESS?

Phil received a 45/90 notice pursuant to Cal Government Code Section 44938. Under the law he was required to be given a notice of unprofessional conduct 45 days before any action can be taken in order to “correct his or her faults and overcome the grounds for the charge.” He was required to receive a similar notice 90 days prior to any charge of unsatisfactory performance. He received those notices. They listed the charges. That is the process he was due under the law and his union contract and he received it.

Here is how you folks are acting. You are acting like an anonymous person approached the Weekly with an anonymous accusation against Winston of sexual harassment. And they printed it without any verification whatsoever.

See, that is not what happened. What happened is that Scott Bowers, the HR manager for the district, interviewed 4 staff members who independently corroborated the account of the individual who made the first complaint. That’s five credible adults who verified the events complained of.

The investigation was sufficient to substantiate the accounts. The lawyer agreed. Kevin Skelly and the school board agreed.

Then they all took a wrong turn. Instead of issuing a 30 day notice of termination for immoral conduct under 44932(a)(1) as sexual harassment is usually handled, or under 44932(a)(7) for violating state law and district policy against sexual harassment, they elected to proceed to place him in a special education classroom (watched by aides because this IS a South Park episode) and issue a 45/90 notice. No such notice is required or would be appropriate for sexual harassment so he was charged instead with unprofessional conduct and incompetence, two sections that are not related to sexual harassment and not typically (or really ever) used to address it. That is for obvious reasons — why should some sexual harasser get a second bite at that apple? Is it even plausible that state law would require that? Hint: no, it is not, that’s why it is not the law.

Phil Winston should not be in a classroom based on the substantiated allegations of sexual harassment. There should have been a full investigation and he should have received a 30 day notice and suspension on September 15 (the first day he could have received such a notice). Since he didn’t, he should get one now before May 15 and be assigned to sharpen pencils in the district office 8 hours a day while the hearings are held. He will probably lose based on how these cases have come out in the past.

We can fire Tabitha to pay for it. The average cost to fire a sexual harasser is probably less than 2 years of her salary and it looks like Lou Lozano has taken over her job anyway.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
1 hour ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

Phil HAD DUE PROCESS. What part of this is so opaque? I thought the reporting in the story was good, so why are so many people confused about whether or not PHIL HAD DUE PROCESS?

Phil received a 45/90 notice pursuant to Cal Government Code Section 44938. Under the law he was required to be given a notice of unprofessional conduct 45 days before any action can be taken in order to “correct his or her faults and overcome the grounds for the charge.” He was required to receive a similar notice 90 days prior to any charge of unsatisfactory performance. He received those notices. They listed the charges. That is the process he was due under the law and his union contract and he received it.

Here is how you folks are acting. You are acting like an anonymous person approached the Weekly with an anonymous accusation against Winston of sexual harassment. And they printed it without any verification whatsoever.

See, that is not what happened. What happened is that Scott Bowers, the HR manager for the district, interviewed 4 staff members who independently corroborated the account of the individual who made the first complaint. That’s five credible adults who verified the events complained of.

The investigation was sufficient to substantiate the accounts. The lawyer agreed. Kevin Skelly and the school board agreed.

Then they all took a wrong turn. Instead of issuing a 30 day notice of termination for immoral conduct under 44932(a)(1) as sexual harassment is usually handled, or under 44932(a)(7) for violating state law and district policy against sexual harassment, they elected to proceed to place him in a special education classroom (watched by aides because this IS a South Park episode) and issue a 45/90 notice. No such notice is required or would be appropriate for sexual harassment so he was charged instead with unprofessional conduct and incompetence, two sections that are not related to sexual harassment and not typically (or really ever) used to address it. That is for obvious reasons — why should some sexual harasser get a second bite at that apple? Is it even plausible that state law would require that? Hint: no, it is not, that’s why it is not the law.

Phil Winston should not be in a classroom based on the substantiated allegations of sexual harassment. There should have been a full investigation and he should have received a 30 day notice and suspension on September 15 (the first day he could have received such a notice). Since he didn’t, he should get one now before May 15 and be assigned to [portion removed] the district office 8 hours a day while the hearings are held. He will probably lose based on how these cases have come out in the past.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
23 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

OK, I’m game. Editor, why did you remove the words “sharpen pencils in” from the sentence: “Since he didn’t, he should get one now before May 15 and be assigned to sharpen pencils in the district office 8 hours a day while the hearings are held.”

May I respectfully request that you spend your time fact checking the things that Yoohoo Lou tells you instead of deleting the entirely unoffensive words “sharpen pencils in” from a post? It seems to me that the guy who wrote the sentence:

“In this case, the district gave Winston the mandated “45-90″-day notice, but UNDER THE LAW, it is unlikely that he will face further disciplinary action unless he repeats the behavior he has been warned about. How nice it would be to see, as one outcome of this case, our district, including its teachers, advocating for reform of this system.”

Words in ALL CAPS are not true.

Also, if you know anything about rubber rooms (Ira Glass had a great episode on the NYC rubber room a few years back) then you know that it is even basically factually accurate. I could have said “staple papers together” or “sort paper clips” or “sit silently and do nothing” also.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
44 minutes ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
22 minutes ago
JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.
Sorry:

It seems to me that the guy who wrote this sentence should spend his time more profitably calling up YooHoo Lou and Kevin Skelly to ask why they misled him:

“In this case, the district gave Winston the mandated “45-90″-day notice, but UNDER THE LAW, it is unlikely that he will face further disciplinary action unless he repeats the behavior he has been warned about. How nice it would be to see, as one outcome of this case, our district, including its teachers, advocating for reform of this system.”

Words in ALL CAPS are not true.

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Posted by JLS mom of 2, a resident of JLS Middle School
14 hours ago

JLS mom of 2 is a registered user.

[Portion removed.]

I wrote:

“On reviewing the materials that were released by the district. . .”

These materials are on the district website: Web Link

The comment was “you must be getting a lot of pussy” was alleged to Scott Bowers by a teacher who said that a [portion removed] student report it to that teacher.

The alleged unwelcome touching of the female staff member including hugging and backrubs (gross) was made by Scott Bowers in Phil’s 45/90 notice. Presumably if Phil rubs his hands on another teacher without consent again, he will really be in trouble!

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Thread Titled: School administrator Kathleen Meagher to leave for Virginia

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/school-administrator-kathleen-meagher-to-leave-for-virginia

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Posted by Somme people, a resident of Mayfield
5 hours ago

Is she going to receive higher pay in her new position? If so, that would really be a shocker!

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Posted by Somme people, a resident of Mayfield
8 hours ago

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Posted by Mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
1 hour ago

Good riddance. She got the job as principal because she is a pal of Skelly’s and was springboarding to the district office. I worked with her on the PTA and yes, “Duveneck parent” is correct in the description of her. Perhaps being surrounded by intellectuals resulted in her condescending, unprofessional style so she could feel better about herself. To do well in PAUSD, administrators have to know how to work well with people and compromise, rather than dictate. Notice she can’t stay at any job position at length. My sympathies to Arlington Public Schools, but congratulations to us!

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Posted by Mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
4 hours ago

[Portion removed.] I worked with her on the PTA and yes, “Duveneck parent” is correct in the description of her. Perhaps being surrounded by intellectuals resulted in her condescending, unprofessional style so she could feel better about herself. To do well in PAUSD, administrators have to know how to work well with people and compromise, rather than dictate. [Portion removed.]

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Thread Titled: Editorial: Hard school lessons

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/11/editorial-hard-school-lessons

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
3 minutes ago
Edmund Burke is a registered user.

While the reporting on this subject was outstanding and truly marvelous (particularly the tenacity behind the reporting) his editorial lacks moral clarity.

The Weekly claims that “Lesson Number One” is: In California, the law makes it so expensive and onerous to terminate a credentialed teacher that most districts decide not to even try.

No.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD failed when it placed Phil Winston, who the district’s own investigation had substantiated and serious allegations of sexual harassment about, back into the classroom. And not just any classroom, a special education classroom, with our most vulnerable children.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD should have placed Winston in a position not in contact with students and attempted to dismiss him, as do other districts when they have teachers who have committed serious offenses. It is absolutely appalling that PAUSD did not do this, and appalling that the Weekly thinks that lesson number one is some kind of lesson about California law reform.

Lesson Number One is our school board sat by mutely while Kevin Skelly actively misled the public about Winston. Lesson Number One is that we need a board and superintendent that put students first. Lesson Number One is that our school board is a moral and ethical madhouse. Rather than insisting that we try to dismiss this teacher, even if it was expensive, even if it took a long time, because it was the right thing to do, they allowed the public to be told that Winston was “good with kids.”

Lesson Number One is that a school board that would do that has no moral compass. They are at sea, and land is no longer in sight at all.

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Posted by Edmund Burke, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
4 hours ago

Edmund Burke is a registered user.

While the reporting on this subject was outstanding and truly marvelous (particularly the tenacity behind the reporting) his editorial lacks moral clarity.

The Weekly claims that “Lesson Number One” is: In California, the law makes it so expensive and onerous to terminate a credentialed teacher that most districts decide not to even try.

No.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD failed when it placed Phil Winston, who the district’s own investigation had substantiated and serious allegations of sexual harassment about, back into the classroom. And not just any classroom, a special education classroom, with our most vulnerable children.

Lesson Number One is that PAUSD should have placed Winston in a position not in contact with students and attempted to dismiss him, as do other districts when they have teachers who have committed serious offenses. It is absolutely appalling that PAUSD did not do this, and appalling that the Weekly thinks that lesson number one is some kind of lesson about California law reform.

Lesson Number One is our school board sat by mutely while Kevin Skelly actively misled the public about Winston. Lesson Number One is that we need a board and superintendent that put students first. [Portion removed.] Rather than insisting that we try to dismiss this teacher, even if it was expensive, even if it took a long time, because it was the right thing to do, they allowed the public to be told that Winston was “good with kids.”

Lesson Number One is that a school board that would do that has no moral compass. They are at sea, and land is no longer in sight at all.

 

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Thread Titled: Man arrested for armed robbery of pedestrian

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/07/man-arrested-for-armed-robbery-of-pedestrian

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Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
4 minutes ago
Bru is a registered user.

Hmmm, you cannot seem to let one post of mine go by without making some spurious attack on it. You’re deliberately misreading my statements – and what for – to make just plain silly accusations against me … how empty your life must be to have to center around this stuff.

Attacks by unbalanced people in Palo Alto, like suicides by train, are a terrible tragedy, but they are not chronic, they are not deliberate evil and a constant threat, and each one is different meaning there is no one thing we can do or one way to look at them.

On the other side we have had a pretty constant but thankfully infrequent muggings, robberies or attacks on people who are just walking in the street minding their own business. This concerns me. I think it ought to concern all Palo Altans, and I think it ought to concern you, whether the language used tweaks your sensiblities or not.

By the way, because random public robberies and assaults concern me and I comment on it does not I am not concerned about other stories or problems as you seem to be deliberately misinterpreting my comment. Why don’t you take a rest and get some help. When you cannot allow me to have my own opinion without constant insults and then deletions of them when you go to far you have a problem. Why don’t you let someone else be the focus of it for while or get some help?

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Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
36 minutes ago

Bru is a registered user.

[Portion removed.]

Attacks by unbalanced people in Palo Alto, like suicides by train, are a terrible tragedy, but they are not chronic, they are not deliberate evil and a constant threat, and each one is different meaning there is no one thing we can do or one way to look at them.

On the other side we have had a pretty constant but thankfully infrequent muggings, robberies or attacks on people who are just walking in the street minding their own business. This concerns me. I think it ought to concern all Palo Altans, and I think it ought to concern you, [portion removed.]

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Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto
1 minutes ago
Hmmm is a registered user.

Bru: quit being such a creep. You know EXACTLY what I mean – you’re narrow-minded, classist jerk who pretends otherwise. Your response totally gives you away.

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Thread Titled: Parents giving teachers gifts before they give kids grades

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/07/parents-giving-teachers-gifts-before-they-give-kids-grades

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Posted by no surprise, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
3 hours ago

My child’s teacher asked for visa gift cards directly….. and those who complied got all sorts of things…. the best teacher for the next grade for starters…PAUSD is filled with extortion. My kids’ elementary school is like Sicily that way. Everyone says “Oh my, not at PAUSD!” well, go look in the teacher’s cubbies…filled to the brim with “little thank yous” for future favors.

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Posted by no surprise, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
4 hours ago

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Posted by Rupert of henzau, a resident of Midtown
16 minutes ago
“My child’s teacher asked for visa gift cards directly….. and those who complied got all sorts of things…. the best teacher for the next grade for starters…PAUSD is filled with extortion. My kids’ elementary school is like Sicily that way. Everyone says “Oh my, not at PAUSD!” well, go look in the teacher’s cubbies…filled to the brim with “little thank yous” for future favors.”

Okay, no surprise, we haven another bogus claim, thatnyounare pet ulating.
Name the schools whee this has occurred and the teachers involved. Of course you basically say all the teachers are involved. Let’s see some proofs your ridiculous claims.

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Posted by Rupert of henzau, a resident of Midtown
1 hour ago

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Thread Titled: Setting aside time for discussing, ‘dissolving’ stereotypes

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/04/04/setting-aside-time-for-discussing-dissolving-stereotypes

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Posted by Back to the Future, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
1 hour ago
Ok, funny story. So I thought I was posting to this story about how this story seems disconnected from what is really happening in PAUSD since it is about bullying but doesn’t even mention in passing the last 2 years of bullying controversy, federal investigations and the like.

It turns out that it doesn’t mention the last 2 years because it was written 3 years ago. In 2011.

This story is a wholesale rehash of a story published by the same reporter on April 1, 2011. It includes, believe it or not, the same quotes. It includes a whole paragraph literally lifted from the prior story.

I posted on the 2011 story because I thought it was the 2014 story that I read in the written paper. Then I found out it was not quite the same (but almost!) story.

So that answers my original question of why this story doesn’t address or even mention what’s happened in the last 2 years. It was written 3 years ago. Is this April Fool’s?

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Posted by Back to the Future, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
1 hour ago

Here’s the link to the 2011 story: Web Link

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Posted by Back to the Future, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Apr 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
7 hours ago

@Moderator – May I, respectfully, suggest to add this thread to the Schools & kids Category? currently it is “around town”.

@Back to the Future-
You asked: “…Is this April Fool’s?” Yes, Thank you. Everyday is my day. Somewhere.
And, Thank you for posting the link.

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Posted by Can-We-Tell-Each-Other-The-Truth?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
16 minutes ago
> A Muslim student said, “The thing I want is for everyone to stop
> judging us all based on what only a fraction of our population did.”

Interesting. Over the past 1500 years, Islam has been responsible for killing, and enslaving, perhaps 250M people. The actual numbers are not really knowable, so no one was recording the death counts of those lands, and peoples, who were subject to the Peace of Allah.

Everywhere one looks in the historical record, free peoples fell under the sword of Islam. The most horrific death counts can be found in what is called the Hindu Holocaust, which lasted for about six hundred years. Hindu historians estimate that perhaps 80M to 100M Hindus died while Islam dominated that subcontinent. Even recently, about 2M Hindus and Muslims died (they killed each other) during the Indian/Pakistani Partition (1947-48 timeframe).

It seems very difficult to understand how people can overcome these sorts of differences. Pretending that these events did not happen is not the best way, is it?

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Posted by Can-We-Tell-Each-Other-The-Truth?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 5, 2014 at 10:15 am

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Posted by Exclusion, a resident of Palo Alto High School
1 hour ago

Certain ethnic groups at Paly are very exclusionary, and even refuse to speak English in or out of the classroom. A few have refused to include American students when asked to separate into groups for study or brainstorming, and when forced to do so, again refuse to speak English in the presence of the American students.

Egalitarianism begins at home, and one wonders what these ethnic kids are learning from their elitist ( racist? ) parents.

Racism works both ways, and when called on it, these people often pull the race card themselves as a distraction or cover.

This is a problem that can no longer be ignored in schools or daily life.

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Posted by Exclusion, a resident of Palo Alto High School
9 hours ago

Certain ethnic groups at Paly are very exclusionary, and even refuse to speak English in or out of the classroom. A few have refused to include American students when asked to separate into groups for study or brainstorming, and when forced to do so, again refuse to speak English in the presence of the American students.

Egalitarianism begins at home, and one wonders what these ethnic kids are learning from their [portion removed] parents.

Racism works both ways, and when called on it, these people often pull the race card themselves as a distraction or cover.

This is a problem that can no longer be ignored in schools or daily life.

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Thread Titled:  English ‘lanes’ limit students

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/28/guest-opinion

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Posted by not again, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood

5 minutes ago
Weekly,Just wondering, how did Priory mom’s comment about homework machines and property values stay, and my comment about a fact get deleted. The posters arguing for the Opinion piece have identified themselves as being from Other non-Paly neighborhoods. That’s a fact.

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Thread Titled: Addison Elementary principal to leave

 

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/03/28/addison-elementary-principal-to-leave

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Posted by District insider, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
8 hours ago

Why don’t you check with Katya and get back to me on that.

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Thread restricted only to commentators who login.   This thread was restricted very fast, it seems that it was open to all for about an hour.

The last comment seems to be about Gunn’s principal who announced her plans to step down. The thread that listed her announcement three days ago is still open to all.

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Thread Titled: Gunn principal Villalobos to step down

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/25/gunn-principal-villalobos-to-step-down

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Posted by Experience did not matter , a resident of Adobe-Meadows
4 minutes ago
What is the reason for editing out the “experience matters” reference? What rule did that supposedly violate? Good lord. How random.

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Posted by Experience did not matter , a resident of Adobe-Meadows
13 minutes ago

I agree with village fool. There is a lot going on that people don’t know about. OCR investigations will continue for a long time after Skelly has exited stage right. His terrible management and lack of accountability will continue to be a millstone around the community’s neck for a long time to come . Things at Paly are going to explode as the facts come out. Same with Gunn. Rape culture is only one example of a general culture of retaliation , noncompliance , secrecy. If you think about it, it really can’t be any other way. Anyone who has watched a board meeting in the past 5 years has come away slack jawed and disgusted at how monumentally incompetent they are. With no functioning oversight, and an arrogant and secretive management at 25 Churchill what did you expect. There were plenty of people including Barbara Klausner, Becky Beacom, ken Dauber and others who were pointing out problems but all you people wanted was happy talk. Well try happy talking about the sh@t that is about to go down. That’ll be fun to watch. Clean house or see your schools degrade. I can’t wait to see tabithas press release about the new information. Remember “experience matters”? Maybe not in the way you thought.

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Posted by Experience did not matter , a resident of Adobe-Meadows
15 hours ago

I agree with village fool. There is a lot going on that people don’t know about. OCR investigations will continue for a long time after Skelly has exited stage right. His terrible management and lack of accountability will continue to be a millstone around the community’s neck for a long time to come . Things at Paly are going to explode as the facts come out. Same with Gunn. Rape culture is only one example of a general culture of retaliation , noncompliance , secrecy. If you think about it, it really can’t be any other way. Anyone who has watched a board meeting in the past 5 years has come away slack jawed and disgusted at how monumentally incompetent they are. With no functioning oversight, and an arrogant and secretive management at 25 Churchill what did you expect. There were plenty of people including Barbara Klausner, Becky Beacom, ken Dauber and others who were pointing out problems but all you people wanted was happy talk. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@worse – quite possibly it is worse. Bad news travel slowly. Here is my take on “cutting the mike” of the PAUSD Board Secret meetings Thread – Web Link

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
52 minutes ago

@worse – quite possibly it is worse. Bad news travel slowly. [Portion removed.]

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Posted by Student, a resident of Palo Alto High School
6 hours ago

Kim Diorio? I want Phil Winston back – he made great changes while she has done nothing and doesn’t answer emails. She gets overwhelmed easily and has young children to distract her. She is a nice person, however.

Mrs. Diorio, I suggest teacher evaluations so the super challenging teachers have to change their ways. Some of them have no idea of the pressure we face as teenagers in a college prep environment. And it’s not just the students who take 10 APs (limiting quantity of APs taken would help lower stress). Some teachers are just TOO passionate about force-feeding information.

Student, do you realize what happens when Gunn is in the rankings? It DOES cause stress because immigrants who prioritize academics above all else (besides piano and violin) look at those rankings and flock to your school. These immigrants prioritize academics to the extreme, so competition at your school becomes extreme and everyone ends up sleep-deprived.

And to Gunn parents who think so well of Advisory – it’s a waste of time and the teachers are full of lack of information and misinformation. I don’t trust anything they say about the college process because they are teachers, not specialists like the college counselors at our school. No one goes to their Advisor for help. More time instead of Advisory would be helpful. Depending on teachers, we have little time to recuperate.

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Posted by Student, a resident of Palo Alto High School
20 hours ago

Kim Diorio? I want Phil Winston back – he made great changes while she has done nothing and doesn’t answer emails. She gets overwhelmed easily and has young children to distract her. She is a nice person, however.

Mrs. Diorio, I suggest teacher evaluations so the super challenging teachers have to change their ways. Some of them have no idea of the pressure we face as teenagers in a college prep environment. And it’s not just the students who take 10 APs (limiting quantity of APs taken would help lower stress). Some teachers are just TOO passionate about force-feeding information.

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And to Gunn parents who think so well of Advisory – it’s a waste of time and the teachers are full of lack of information and misinformation. I don’t trust anything they say about the college process because they are teachers, not specialists like the college counselors at our school. No one goes to their Advisor for help. More time instead of Advisory would be helpful. Depending on teachers, we have little time to recuperate.

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Thread Titled:Seventy-six in Palo Alto school district get tenure

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/25/seventy-six-in-palo-alto-school-district-to-get-tenure-tonight

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Posted by Anony Mouse, a resident of Juana Briones School
15 minutes ago

My once-a-year foray into Palo Alto Online.
It draws to an end.
You can have it back now, trolls.
I am alienated.
Stop by for a cup of tea sometime.
I’d love to talk about how much I love my students,
and how I love the parent support.
And how tenure is part of the complicated mix
that makes this job worthwhile.
It’s mostly the students, though.
I’m out.

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Posted by Anony Mouse, a resident of Juana Briones School
18 hours ago

[Portion removed.]
Stop by for a cup of tea sometime.
I’d love to talk about how much I love my students,
and how I love the parent support.
And how tenure is part of the complicated mix
that makes this job worthwhile.
It’s mostly the students, though.
I’m out.

 

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Threat Titled: Palo Alto mulls dedicating new parkland

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link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/03/19/council-mulls-dedicating-new-parkland

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
16 hours ago

@Moderator – may I, respectfully, suggest to consider adding this thread to another category? (currently it is under schools & kids category)

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
16 hours ago

@Moderator – may I also, respectfully, suggest to add a new category? Maybe the new category can be titled – for Palo Alto residents, ONLY?
(it is my understanding that this park is not accessible to anyone who is not “Palo Altan”).

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Thread titled: Three Palo Alto principals announce retirements

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/19/three-palo-alto-principals-announce-retirements#comment_form

Before:

Posted by Cheap shots at the principals, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
28 minutes ago

The Weekly has always been fickle with deletions. I have posted some hard-hitting criticism of both teachers and administrators and it has been left intact, while other innocuous posts have been sent away. I’ll keep posting. If you read the Town Square rules, you’ll be surprised. I consider it good input and feedback. The threat from posting your name for some of us in the community is real, it cannot be ignored. But Beth Estrada’s snipes at other posters does nothing to help the dialogue. For example, the anger in her posts is embarrassing, and yet I don’t think she can see it as readily as she misinterprets it in another post. The tone of her posts is indeed arrogant, IMO. Is it against the rules to point that out? Would that be anger? Does that have a tone? I hope this post helps her, I really do, because it doesn’t matter if you were raised in Palo Alto like me or if you have been here less than two years (that other poster made me think about hiring practices), all opinions should be welcome in a democracy or Town Square. Labeling them mean, angry, or otherwise is a fair opinion, but it’s just that.

After:

Posted by Cheap shots at the principals, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
8 hours ago

The Weekly has always been fickle with deletions. I have posted some hard-hitting criticism of both teachers and administrators and it has been left intact, while other innocuous posts have been sent away. I’ll keep posting. If you read the Town Square rules, you’ll be surprised. I consider it good input and feedback. The threat from posting your name for some of us in the community is real, it cannot be ignored. But Beth Estrada’s snipes at other posters does nothing to help the dialogue. [Portion removed.] I hope this post helps her, I really do, because it doesn’t matter if you were raised in Palo Alto like me or if you have been here less than two years (that other poster made me think about hiring practices), all opinions should be welcome in a democracy or Town Square. Labeling them mean, angry, or otherwise is a fair opinion, but it’s just that.

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Thread Titled: OCR finds retaliation by San Carlos schools from IEP meeting recording

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/15/ocr-finds-retaliation-by-san-carlos-school-district-in-dispute–over-iep-meeting-recording-

Before:

Posted by Jumping the shark, a resident of Greenmeadow
3 hours ago

“a tough spot for all” is finally showing her hand. She seems to have two aims:

1) Expunge special education students from PAUSD, by suggesting to parents that they transfer to Redwood City rather than stay in our schools. I don’t know how to respond to that, except to say that it’s nauseating.

2) [Portion removed due to referencing previously deleted comment.]

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Thread Titled: Why is Town Square So Out of Sync With Dominant Free Speech Norms of the Internet; or, is this Forum Not a Forum Anymore Due to Heavy-Handed Editing of Posts

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/index.php?i=3&d=1&t=21685#comment_form

Before: (March, 13, 2014)

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
35 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.

@village idiot & Palydad – have I missed any updates?

(a very simple question which must be asked extremely carefully – I tried to ask a couple of months ago, my question vanished).

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Thread Titled : Special education family sues district

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/03/06/special-education-family-sues-district

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
2 hours ago

village fool is a registered user.
@JLS mom of 2 – I decided to log in and respond to you. I hope you’ll see my post before it is gone.
You raised this issues shortly after the PAUSD board’s secret meeting became public knowledge in a fascinating thread which was locked, completely, fast.

I responded to you, then that:
“I see several obstacles standing in the way of public grass rooting, organizing petitions, etc. The biggest one is fear of retaliation. I doubt anyone who currently has a child in PAUSD will risk the child well being, especially if there are current concerns regarding the child….” (part of my comment, I cannot copy all).
Here is a link to this very informative thread: Web Link

Obviously, these issues were discussed in other places. The fact that these type issues are still impacting children just amplify my understanding that nothing has changed, unfortunately.
Sadly, I think that my open address to Ms. Gaona- mendoza after the Oct 8th board meeting still reflects the current atmosphere – Web Link

I think that the Oct 8th PAUSD Board meeting provided a clear “preview” to the Jan 28th PAUSD Board meeting that was titled by the great editorial – Nadir.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that the real nadirs still happen mostly behind closed doors, no TV presence. I wrote more here – Web Link

After:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
2 hours ago

village fool is a registered user.
@JLS mom of 2 -
You raised this issues shortly after the PAUSD board’s secret meeting became public knowledge in a fascinating thread [portion removed.]

I responded to you, then that:
“I see several obstacles standing in the way of public grass rooting, organizing petitions, etc. The biggest one is fear of retaliation. I doubt anyone who currently has a child in PAUSD will risk the child well being, especially if there are current concerns regarding the child….” (part of my comment, I cannot copy all).
Here is a link to this very informative thread: Web Link

Obviously, these issues were discussed in other places. The fact that these type issues are still impacting children just amplify my understanding that nothing has changed, unfortunately.
Sadly, I think that my open address to Ms. Gaona- mendoza after the Oct 8th board meeting still reflects the current atmosphere – Web Link

I think that the Oct 8th PAUSD Board meeting provided a clear “preview” to the Jan 28th PAUSD Board meeting that was titled by the great editorial – Nadir.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that the real nadirs still happen mostly behind closed doors, no TV presence. I wrote more here – Web Link

Comments: 

The beginning of my comment was censored. I posted:

“@JLS mom of 2 – I decided to log in and respond to you. I hope you’ll see my post before it is gone.
You raised this issues shortly after the PAUSD board’s secret meeting became public knowledge in a fascinating thread which was locked, completely, fast.”

The moderator  removed my first sentence without indicating that.  I actually do not  understand the reason that had many of my comments disappeared completely, without a trace, before. The  portion removed, marked by the moderator, was: ” which was locked, completely, fast.”. I think that my description did not violate any terms of use. The thread was locked, completely, fast.  The thread is still locked now.

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Thread Titled: Editorial: The Skelly resignation

link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/21/editorial-the-skelly-resignation

Before:

Posted by George Orwell, a resident of East Palo Alto

13 minutes ago
George Orwell is a registered user.

Bravo! lock the thread, silence the discussion.

After:

Comment vanished.

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@moderator – may I suggest to consider adding this thread to the Schools & Kids category?

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Thread moved from “Around town” Category to ‘Schools & kids” category. You are very welcome.

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Thread Titled:Palo Alto superintendent Kevin Skelly to resign June 30

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/18/palo-alto-superintendent-kevin-skelly-to-resign-june-30

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Posted by Business, not personal, a resident of Terman Middle School
5 minutes ago

Kevin Skelly is not concerned with students first, Kevin Skelly is all about Kevin Skelly, even in the end. He should have been phased out beginning in 2009 when he made borderline racist comments about Latino students and also parents with doctorates. Then with Everyday Math and the ineffective response to the suicides, a search should have begun for a new superintendent in early 2010 at the latest. The board was negligent to not do this then and they appear clueless now as Barb Mitchell states that his departure is all his decision. I hope that is not true because this town is thirsty for leadership, the kind where there is controversy for the right reason. Skelly will have received around $2,000,000 in pay, benefits, and other perks like an interest-free loan at the taxpayers’ expense. He did pretty well for himself in almost seven years, he has benefitted from Palo Alto quite handsomely. Now with his leaving, the board has a pretty simple task of calling up Leadership Associates for a new superintendent, which has a good chance to be someone who is connected to Skelly. How well do you predict the board will perform its duty? Do you have faith in them anymore? Skelly is part of the problem and his damage is going to last in the form of lawsuits and legal fees. But now what? Charles Young? Probably not, because Skelly has propped him up for almost three years. Scott Bowers? Almost, but not quite. Scott Laurence. Not even close. Don’t cheer Skelly’s resignation if you want to be mean that won’t help students, but continue to demand the best of your board or send the, on their way.

After:

Posted by Business, not personal, a resident of Terman Middle School
29 minutes ago

[Post removed.]

Comment, another post by Business, not personal:

Posted by Business, not personal, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
3 minutes ago

Thanks for deleting my previous post, I didn’t really like it. The following is more important. From a post I made in the Town Square in August, 2013:

“I predict we’ll have announcement of a resignation by February by Skelly.”

Before:

Posted by Curious, a resident of Greenmeadow
4 minutes ago

Has anyone else noticed that posts criticizing Kevin Skelly tend to have worse grammar and spelling?

Good luck, Kevin – you will be missed.

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Thread titled: Editorial: The Paly English kerfuffle

link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/14/editorial-the-paly-english-kerfuffle

Before:

Posted by delete the idiot, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
15 minutes ago

Editor — why does “Answers” get to say that about Mrs. Launer? That is an accusation essentially of incompetence in her profession. She is a HS teacher not a public figure. I know you deleted the worst crap and garbage out of that post (attacking a special needs child? Publicizing who is adopted? What a dickhead “answers” is and also what low, low depths these pro-tracking racists are willing to sink to)) But you missed a spot. Do you have a reason it is reasonable to accuse her of professional incompetence in a publication? If not, fix it.

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Posted by delete the idiot, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
4 hours ago

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

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Thread Titled: School board to vote on harassment policy

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/02/10/school-board-to-vote-on-harassment-policy

Before:

Posted by Reality check, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
21 minutes ago

There was no strong negative campaign against Townsend from the Dauber side, at least not one I noticed. There was, though, a strong negative campaign against Danger from the Townsend campaign. Mandie Lowell, wife of the Santa Clara County Republican party leader and billionaire Charles Munger, sent thousands of negative emails targeting Dauber just before the election. Lowell was Townsend cochair.

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Thread Titled: Editorial: The school board’s nadir

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2014/01/31/editorial-the-school-boards-nadir

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Before:

Posted by Pete Seeger, a resident of Duveneck School
3 minutes ago

Mitchell is completely completely consistent. Liberty is for white people. Authority is for brown people. Anyone who thinks that Ms. Mitchell would have treated a white Jordan student from Duveneck with that kind of contempt, I have a bridge for you.

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Posted by Pete Seeger, a resident of Duveneck School
1 hour ago

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Thread Titled:  Referendum threatens transgender student law

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/31/referendum-threatens-transgender-student-law

Before:

Posted by Hushabye, a resident of Stanford
18 minutes ago
Herr von Henzau, you have too little to do and too much spare time. Stop offending people.

Posted by Rupert of Henzau, a resident of Midtown
4 minutes ago

Nayeli– if you would bother to read my posts carefully, you will see that I am not enameled with conservatives, Christians right wingers and republicans. Just the opposite, I dislike their disregard for equal rights for minorities,gays etc. just because a majority of,people oppose something does not mean anything- rights issues are not decided by majority vote.
You have put forth a series of ridiculous scenarios regarding this benign law.

Frau hushaby Hutcheson– expressing opinion sthat others disagree with may seem ” offensive”. However that is my right. I find you comment offensive

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Posted by Hushabye, a resident of Stanford
2 hours ago

[Post removed.]

Posted by Rupert of Henzau, a resident of Midtown
2 hours ago

Nayeli– if you would bother to read my posts carefully, you will see that I am not enameled with conservatives, Christians right wingers and republicans. Just the opposite, I dislike their disregard for equal rights for minorities,gays etc. just because a majority of,people oppose something does not mean anything- rights issues are not decided by majority vote.

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Thread Titled:

Why is Town Square So Out of Sync With Dominant Free Speech Norms of the Internet; or, is this Forum Not a Forum Anymore Due to Heavy-Handed Editing of Posts

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/09/09/why-is-town-square-so-out-of-sync-with-dominant-free-speech-norms-of-the-internet-or-is-this-forum-not-a-forum-anymore-due-to-heavy-handed-editing-of-posts

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Before – posted 01/01/2014:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.
@PalyDad – Have I missed any updates?

(meanwhile I bumped into other manifestations that are beyond my grasp. I posted samples of what I happened to see (Before & After) in my blog – Web Link)

Happy New Year!

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Thread Titled:  Open address to Ken Dauber – PLEASE, reconsider forming a Shadow PAUSD Board.

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/17/open-address-to-ken-dauber–please–reconsider-forming-a-shadow-pausd-board

Before #1:

Posted by parent is full of it, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
3 minutes ago

@parent — I respectfully disagree. I believe that what is watering down the district is wasting time, money, attention, and resources on things like civil rights investigations into why the district did not do enough to prevent and remediate the bullying of disabled children, why the district’s policies do not meet the minimum legally required, why we have RAPE CULTURE in our high school, and why our compliance officer cannot get us into compliance. Everything just listed out is deadweight loss and also an absolute disgrace and embarrassment.

What is watering down education is paying money and attention to all this stuff that is not education. that is due to the fact that we have a board of inept hens. We need a board with some leaders. Dauber is a leader. All this stuff about watering down is just nonsense. He went to Yale. He’s a Googler. He’s smarter than any of these people, and the idea that he doesn’t care about education is just dumb. One child graduated from Stanford, one from Cal, one from RISD, I don’t know about the rest. One of his daughters is a teacher.

Try your slander another time.

After #1:

Posted by parent is full of it, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
10 minutes ago

@parent — I respectfully disagree. I believe that what is watering down the district is wasting time, money, attention, and resources on things like civil rights investigations into why the district did not do enough to prevent and remediate the bullying of disabled children, why the district’s policies do not meet the minimum legally required, why we have RAPE CULTURE in our high school, and why our compliance officer cannot get us into compliance. Everything just listed out is deadweight loss and also an absolute disgrace and embarrassment.

What is watering down education is paying money and attention to all this stuff that is not education. that is due to the fact that we have a board of inept hens. We need a board with some leaders. Dauber is a leader. All this stuff about watering down is just nonsense. [Portion removed.]

Before #2:

Posted by PalyDad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
2 minutes ago

PalyDad is a registered user.
Please explain how Dauber’s biography or his educationally successful children violate your terms of use. How is it offensive to say his kids went to Stanford and Cal and he went to Yale but not offensive to say that the fact that he lost was “dodging a bullet” and he wants to “water down” education? [Portion removed] you.

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Before #3:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.
Where has PalyDad’s comment gone?
It can be found along the missing portion of “parent is full of it” on my blog where I dedicated a on a page to Editing/Censoring – Web Link

After #3:

My post gone. I cannot understand the “editing” of #1, and the vanishing of #2.  Having seen the “fate” of #1 and #2 I could expect that  #3,  my comment referring to this page, will disappear.

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Thread Titled: In secret, school board weighs not cooperating with federal agency

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/07/12/in-secret-school-board-weighs-not-cooperating-with-federal-agency

Before AND After:

Posted by yes, but, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2014 at 9:16 am

Town Square Moderator,

There is a separate thread which Village Fool keeps resuscitating which I believe is a method to ignite controversy surrounding similar issues. It’s among your top posts of the day. If people click, it just gets more views, usually few people have commented since the original thread was started.

I have appreciated your delivering news on the topics regardless of controversy; however, when posters use a thread to ignite passions towards one view or another, that seems unnecessary. Astroturf movements on Town Square should at least have real people behind them.

Palo Alto Online Moderator Response:

Thanks for pointing this out. We’ve closed that topic from further comment so this won’t happen any longer.

(posted on:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2014/01/31/editorial-the-school-boards-nadir)

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
on Jul 15, 2013 at 5:47 am

I am confused – is it certain that the recent agreements with the OCR will be followed?

After:

Thread locked, made available only to those who log in. That proved to stifle the discussion.

Before- posted on 01/02/2014

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago
village fool is a registered user.
@Never been more disgusted – Back in July you wrote:
“…Or maybe I will continue to teach my students that their democratic duty is to criticize their elected and paid leaders to ensure that they are representing us. My union president may be silent right now, but I will not be.”
I wished you, then, that you voice will be heard. I decided, then, to try to follow up with you.
I want to think that you also teach the virtues of free speech, First Amendment etc.

“teachers too” ended her/his comment here ( Web Link) saying: “… they are the people we pay to care for our kids, and they are all part of the problem. Until they recognize that and stop playing the game of silence, then only then will we be on the way to improvement.”

All correlates nicely to your July’s comment, above.

Wishing you that your voice will be heard and inspire your students. Many agree that teachers’ personal modeling can go a long way.
Happy New year!

(this is part of a longer post in my blog – Web Link)

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Before – posted 12/15/2013:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Never been so disgusted – Back in July I decided to try and follow up with you. I posted here, yesterday, Saturday 12/14/12.
My sincere efforts to conform to the Terms of Use did not help me, and my comment disappeared completely. It can be found on my blog where I have posted samples of editing/censoring (Web Link)

Happy Holidays and Break! (I hope my holiday greetings will remain untouched)

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Before:

The following comment was posted, and disappeared on Saturday, 12/14/13

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
1 hour ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Never been more disgusted – back in July you wrote – “…Or maybe I will continue to teach my students that their democratic duty is to criticize their elected and paid leaders to ensure that they are representing us. My union president may be silent right now, but I will not be.”
I wished you, then, that your voice would be heard.

Back in July I decided to try and follow up with you. I am writing to wish you a great Holiday and break!

I do hope that you are also teaching the virtues of free speech. I wonder if teaching the virtues of free speech include any type of personal modeling?
Back in July I could not have foreseen my comments being removed the way they have been now. I am aware that this thread was restricted only to those who log in. I am sorry about that, apparently this is a one way communication. I could suggest an alternative, but I think that having mentioned an alternative is one of the reasons that had my comments have disappeared completely, so I’ll refrain from mentioning alternatives.

I am copying “Teachers too”s comment (which was posted here: Web Link). This comment articulates parts of the thoughts I was having back in July. I am hoping that copying a comment which was not edited will help me in my sincere effort to conform here and have this comment remained untouched.

“Teachers too” wrote: “The school board is responsible for approving policy and directing the superintendent, currently Kevin Skelly, and they have been woefully incapable of these basic responsibilities. Increasingly absent are defensive excuses in this forum about how they are volunteers, good-people, and other emptiness designed to divert attention from how harmful the school board and Kevin Skelly have been to the PAUSD brand. Teachers are perhaps the biggest part of this particular thread. They are the most important adult at school in a student’s life and they have the most contact time with the student, and that includes the supervision and monitoring for the student’s well-being. In some of these bullying cases, the teacher has been accused, just like the principal, of failing to protect the student from bullying. In short, bullying has everything to do about teachers. It’s quite basic. Union folks have been eerily quiet about this whole mess. I think part is explained by a deal to remain quiet and collect raises, you know, don’t rock the boat and you’ll get what you want. I think the other part is that the union doesn’t know what to do, judging by the past few years of watching former PAEA president Triona Gogarty and current president Teri Baldwin publicly represent teachers at PAUSD board meetings, focusing of pay raises and nothing else. PAEA is one of the most powerful forces in PAUSD, nothing gets done without Skelly first asking for approval, and that includes anti-bullying policy. You would think that paying all these people more would result in the resolution of PAUSD problems, but it has had the opposite effect. Will the board’s 5-0 vote in 12 hours make Skelly a better leader? Well, did the 5-0 votes last month and in the spring to give raises to the teachers and principals make them better at what they do? They are all part of the organization, they are the people we pay to care for our kids, and they are all part of the problem. Until they recognize that and stop playing the game of silence, then only then will we be on the way to improvement. “

Let me copy, again, the last sentence of “Teachers too”s comment – “… they are the people we pay to care for our kids, and they are all part of the problem. Until they recognize that and stop playing the game of silence, then only then will we be on the way to improvement. “
This goes back to my points about modeling the virtues of free speech and exercising academic freedom.

Wishing you, again, great Holiday!

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Before – Posted on July 13, 2013

Posted by Almost done with PAUSD, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, 49 minutes ago

Speaking of honesty,

@ Peter Carpenter,

How come you usually post as a resident of Atherton, bug when the topic is SFO airplane noise, all of a sudden you post as living in Menlo Park? Strange indeed.

After:

Posted by Almost done with PAUSD, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:23 am

[Post removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
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Before – posted on July 13, 3013

Posted by insider, a resident of another community, 30 minutes ago

Phil Winston’s departure was welcomed by nearly all PAHS teachers. Only thing better would be that it happened sooner. He made a mockery of school policies Re: cheating, grading, & attendance. Teachers were compelled by Winston to ignore misbehaviors & dishonesty. If parents went to him to complain that their precious darlings were not really D students, based on classroom exams, Phil ordered teachers to change the grades. He was working the parent popularity contest at the expense of honest kids who worked hard, did their assignments & had parents mature & responsible enough to let their kids learn from their own mistakes. Some kids were notorious plagiarists & cheats, but Phil sided with the whiny parents & eliminated consequences & ordered grade changes. Mr. Phil, the fix-it man. Good riddance. PAHS lost some good teachers because of this clown, who now hopes to stay in the district as a teacher. Surprised he isn’t hitting up the powerful parents whose kids got into better-than-they-deserved colleges for some soft job as a reward for his collusion.

After:

Posted by insider, a resident of another community
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 am

Phil Winston’s departure was welcomed by nearly all PAHS teachers. Only thing better would be that it happened sooner. He made a mockery of school policies Re: cheating, grading, & attendance. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

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Before-  Posted on July 13, 3013

Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, 13 minutes ago
Peter Carpenter is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online

“Speaking of honesty,

@ Peter Carpenter,

How come you usually post as a resident of Atherton, bug when the topic is SFO airplane noise, all of a sudden you post as living in Menlo Park? Strange indeed.”

You are not paying attention – I ALWAYS post using my real name (and your’s is?) and as an Atherton resident.

Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, 14 hours ago.

Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, 15 hours ago

etc, etc, etc.

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Thread Titled: School board OKs new calendar, staff raises

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/11/school-board-oks-new-calendar-staff-raises#comment_form

Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@Michele Dauber – you wrote: “… Four years ago, I posted here that this was a north south issue. That the school board simply did not care about providing equity to Gunn. The publisher deleted that statement then as inflammatory. Let’s see if he still thinks I am wrong after last night.”

Thank you. I cannot understand the rationale behind the editing/censoring. At some point it became clear to me that the editing practice actually harms the chances of issues being exposed. No correction is possible without a serious analysts of the infrastructure that enables the occurrences of which we are aware. Those occurrences are most likely only the tip of the iceberg, as was mentioned in the excellent editorial accompanying the info about the OCR presence in PAUSD.

That was part of the reasons that had me address Mr. Dauber back in March calling to form a Shadow PAUSD Board. (Web Link).

Yesterday I addressed to Mr. Dauber on my blog, asking to reconsider forming Shadow PAUSD Board – Web Link

(Shadow Cabinet – Web Link)

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
1 hour ago

[Post removed.]

Comment – I do not understand why my post was removed. However, it was not removed completely. A trace was left that I posted (unlike the threads above and below). 

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Thread Titled: A plea to Village Fool

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/05/a-plea-to-village-fool

I tried to post 3 times after I posted the first one. All were removed without a trace I ever posted. I am listing the removed comments last to first.

Before  -

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.
@Anonymous – Thank you, again.
I tried to post another comment, that comment disappeared completely. I then tried rephrase and post another one – same. Gone without a trace that I ever posted. (I have posted those two removed comments. I’ll NOT provide the link now. I’m trying to comply with the UNWRITTEN terms of use).
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” – George Orwell.

I am using this space to post a link to a past thread which I think relates to a very recent thread which was locked, completely.
The past thread: Web Link

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Anonymous – Thank you, again, for your very kind post.
Let me try, again. I’ll try to rephrase, since my second comment disappeared without a trace that I posted. Where is George Orwell when I need him? My removed comment can be found here, along several other samples of editing/censoring(?) – (Web Link)

Ms. Mendoza responded to my open letter to her after she addressed PAUSD board on Oct 8th saying:

“This is the way they work. If they do not talk about it, maybe people will think that the problem does not exist.” PA ONLINE link: Web Link-

I find this quote to be a great one. I hope you can see why I posted it here. I can not write, sorry. I am trying to comply with the UNWRITTEN Terms of use. I can try to do that here only the Pavlovian way.

BTW – That Oct 8Th board meeting gained a new perspective after it became known that PAUSD is under a CDE investigation. I was appalled by the response to Ms. Mendoza. The response had me write the letter. I’ll elaborate about that on my blog, where I do not have to use Pavlovian training/guessing.

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

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The above comment  gone,completely. No trace that I posted.

The disclaimer below applies –

This  thread was a very pleasant surprise.

THANK you, Anonymous, for your very kind support!

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Before:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
42 minutes ago

village fool is a registered user.

@Anonymous – Thanks again for your very kind post.
Let me add -
The moderator did not respond to my question above. I have asked this question many times before, in various ways and situations, at times regarding my own comments in threads I started. BTW – several of threads I started, although “hidden”, generated a decent amount of views. As far as I know, views are nice for a publishing entity.

Not only were my questions never answered before, but it did happen several times that my question disappeared completely without a trace that I’d ever posted. I believe that I always asked in a polite, civil manner.

This thread is restricted now. If logging in stops you from responding, you are very welcome to respond on my blog (Web Link), or email me – forvillagefool@gmail.com

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

Report Objectionable Content

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The above comment  gone,completely. No trace that I posted.
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Declaimer – This thread was a surprise for me. A nice surprise. I responded the way I saw fit.
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Thread titled: Merrill Newman returns home

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/07/merrill-newman-returns-home

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Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
5 minutes ago

Mr. Newman: you should of never gone to North Korea. Thanks for wasting the taxpayers money! You are lucky to be home and unhurt.

Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
2 minutes ago

Mr Newman, you should of never set foot in North Korea. You are lucky to be home and unhurt. Thanks for wasting the taxpayers money.

After:

Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

[Post removed.]

Posted by Josh, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
1 hour ago

Mr Newman, you should of never set foot in North Korea. You are lucky to be home and unhurt. [Post removed.]

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Thread titled: Thanks from the DPRK

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/03/thanks-from-the-dprk

Before:

Thanks from the DPRK

Original post made by Kim Jong-un on Dec 3, 2013

Thanks, weekly, for deleting the erroneous and inflammatory comments regarding the DPRK. Newman and Bae are enemies of the state and the inflammatory comments by many of the posters served no useful purpose, so it is wonderful that you censored, whoops, I mean removed those comments. Perhaps you can track down theseosters and have them re-educated.
Again the sincerest thanks from the DPRK. My donation check should be arriving shortly

Posted by Kim jong-on, a resident of another community
3 minutes ago

In my excitement to shower you with praise, weekly staff, I forgot the link to the thread with the vil comments about the DPRK
Web Link

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I can not find this thread.

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Thread titled:” Proposed bullying policies to be reviewed”.

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/12/02/proposed-bullying-policies-to-be-reviewed

Before:

Posted by Paly Dad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
6 hours ago

I have no problem with contributing through donations or taxes. What I object to is the incompetence of Kevin Skelly and his management team, including especially Katherine Baker the former Terman principal who was promoted after the OCR found that the school under her leadership violated the civil rights of a disabled student by allowing her to be bullied extensively. Because of this incompetent leadership we now have legal fees, five different ongoing state and federal investigations, and private lawsuits filed with more coming.

I don’t begrudge teachers a living wage. I begrudge wasting my hard-earned money on preventable litigation. Katherine Baker should have been dismissed not promoted. Is there no accountability? Why is Charles Young still drawing a PAUSD paycheck after he fouled up the Paly “rape culture” Title IX scenario, the Terman bullying, the Duveneck bullying, and the Jordan CFS case? How many screw ups does it take to get fired? How much of my money has been wasted on Charles Young’s almost comical ineptness? Why would I donate to PIE or pay a bond so that Charles Young can screw up? I am sure Laurie Reynolds got a nice new kitchen or room addition out of it, but what are we getting?

And don’t EVEN get me started on the PR flack. Please God all I want for Christmas is a decent superintendent.

Posted by Ruined brand, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
4 hours ago

PAUSD is rolling in the money and everyone, except students, are getting their share. The board will be voting 5-0 on December 10 to give Kevin Skelly another $10,000 bonus just for the heck of it and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Except never donate to PiE or vote for another parcel tax again.

Posted by PalyDad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
2 hours ago

Please do not give Kevin Skelly a bonus. Why would he get a bonus? I would like to drag my employer into five separate federal and state investigations and then show up with my hand out for a bonus check. This is like an Onion story. Superintendent draws federal investigators, allows bullying of handicapped, state investigates special ed noncompliance, parents complain in droves, boy accused of having contagious disease but doesn’t sues for discrimination, Super fails to do a damn thing about RAPE CULTURE at high school, Super hides fact of findings against district from board, super enters agreement with feds he then fails to complete on a timely basis, what in God’s name has to happen? Super gets drunk, dances with lampshade on head at board meeting? What would he have to do to NOT get a bonus.

Empty your pockets, Palo Alto. It’s Skelly Time.

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Posted by Paly Dad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Dec 1, 2013 at 6:35 pm

I have no problem with contributing through donations or taxes. What I object to is the incompetence of Kevin Skelly and his management team, including especially Katherine Baker the former Terman principal who was promoted after the OCR found that the school under her leadership violated the civil rights of a disabled student by allowing her to be bullied extensively. Because of this incompetent leadership we now have legal fees, five different ongoing state and federal investigations, and private lawsuits filed with more coming.

I don’t begrudge teachers a living wage. I begrudge wasting my hard-earned money on preventable litigation. Katherine Baker should have been dismissed not promoted. Is there no accountability? Why is Charles Young still drawing a PAUSD paycheck after he fouled up the Paly “rape culture” Title IX scenario, the Terman bullying, the Duveneck bullying, and the Jordan CFS case? [Portion removed.]

Posted by Ruined brand, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 1, 2013 at 8:23 pm

PAUSD is rolling in the money and everyone, except students, are getting their share. The board will be voting 5-0 on December 10 to give Kevin Skelly another $10,000 bonus just for the heck of it and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Except never donate to PiE or vote for another parcel tax again.

Posted by PalyDad, a resident of Palo Alto High School
23 hours ago

Please do not give Kevin Skelly a bonus. Why would he get a bonus? I would like to drag my employer into five separate federal and state investigations and then show up with my hand out for a bonus check. This is like an Onion story. Superintendent draws federal investigators, allows bullying of handicapped, state investigates special ed noncompliance, parents complain in droves, boy accused of having contagious disease but doesn’t sues for discrimination, Super fails to do a damn thing about RAPE CULTURE at high school, Super hides fact of findings against district from board, super enters agreement with feds he then fails to complete on a timely basis, what in God’s name has to happen? [Portion removed.]

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Thread titled: gunn, Paly graduates reflect on their high school experiences

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/11/15/gunn-paly-graduates-reflect-on-their-high-school-experiences

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
0 minutes ago

@ hello, this is the internet – I was sorry to see that your hilarious notes about the PR lady were removed. Frankly, in the PR lady’s defense, I think that this is an impossible job. This is an UN-PRable situation.
As to your removed post -
“This is Sparta” ended his/her post in the latest editorial,stating:
I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

I ended my post (Web Link) stating: I hope that my reference here will not be treated differently from other references. let’s see.

Both posts were not touched. Maybe this is a way to have your hilarious post back?

I have posted few samples of PA online editing/censoring(?) in my blog, here – Web Link

@This is Sparta (from – Web Link): I hope you do not mind me using your phrasing, it is by far better than mine.

I’ve read the TERMS OF USE and I believe that I have complied. Let’s see.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
5 hours ago

@ hello, this is the internet – I was sorry to see that your hilarious notes about the PR lady were removed. Frankly, in the PR lady’s defense, I think that this is an impossible job. This is an UN-PRable situation.

[Portion removed.]

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Thread titled: District refutes Duveneck Elementary bullying complaint

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/print/story/2013/06/14/district-refutes-duveneck-elementary-bullying-complaint

Before:

1. I saw J-school dropout  comment before it was removed.

Posted by J-school dropout, a resident of Community Center
on Jun 14, 2013 at 8:32 am

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]

2.   I tried to post it four times. All disappeared instantaneously. I am pasting here one sample of the four attempts. At some point I logged in to be sure that there is no way to mistake me posting in multiple names.

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago
village fool is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online

@J school dropout – I am taking the liberty to post your first deleted comment. I hope you do not mind. Unfortunately, I did not read the your other deleted posts. I do hope this comment will not be deleted, I am confident I have not posted using multiple names.

J school dropout wrote: “I have to agree with “Alert reader” — a better headline would have been “District asserts it followed correct procedures in Duveneck bullying complaint, but lacks any documentation.” I wonder whether your reporter understands enough about the law and district policy to write an informative story, since not following the UCP means that the district didn’t follow either the law or its own policy.

I think censoring criticism of the Weekly’s reporting is the wrong response, although since it’s the Weekly’s forum it’s the editor’s prerogative. It’s a little odd, however, to criticize Skelly for being defensive rather than improving when the Weekly is exhibiting the same behavior.

Beyond the Weekly’s reporting difficulties, this story is another example of the cost to the public and the school district of the school board’s acquiescence in Skelly’s stonewalling of any inquiry into what is going on here. We have a district administration that repeatedly flouts the law, seems not to understand or care what its obligations are, and hurts kids in the process.”

Report Objectionable Content

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3. After my posting were removed without a trace that I ever posted,  I posted the following question:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago

@editor – May I ask why my postings were removed without a trace? I tried to post 3 times in the past half hour. I copied the first deleted post of “J school dropout”. I have specified that I have copied the post, I used . The reason given for removing ‘J school dropout” comments was that they were posted under one using multiple names. My third deleted posting was done after I logged in, I am confident I did not use multiple names.

My comments were removed instantly, without a trace that I ever posted. I do hope that this question will not be removed this way.

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4. After #3 above disappeared completely I posted the following:

Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago

@editor – May I ask? This is I my forth attempt to post. All the previous attempts were removed, instantly, without a trace. I am not specifying now any context of my previous attempts to post. The instantaneous removal gives a very uncomfortable feel, added to the fact there there was no trace left.

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Currently (Nov/13) non of the above can be found.

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Thread Titled: Open address to Ms. Mendoza, the lady who addressed the PAUSD board on 10/8/13

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/10/13/open-address-to-ms-mendoza-the-lady-who-brought-the-office-of-civil-rights-ocr-to-pausd-and-few-related-thoughts-

Before:
Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
4 minutes ago

@Paly parent 2 – Thank you for noticing the – “deleting out of existence”. It is not only about me, and has been going on for a long time. More so in the past few months.
I truly believe that schools issues can not be addressed without everything being exposed. Yes – the impartial investigation I mentioned, over and over.
There is no way to disconnect the infrastructure that enabled the lack of accountability (for example) from the rest of the culture.
Quite a while ago I came to conclusion that the editing here actually harm the chances of exposing issues that are crucial for all the students. At some point I decided to voice my opinion in a place where I can not be “deleted”. Thus my blog. I elaborated about the the letter above in my blog – Web Link
I found the fact that all my references to my blog were removed without a trace that I ever posted quite appalling, especially since others do that all the time – I did not observe others to be “deleted” this way.

I posted the letter above here since I wanted to try to make sure that Ms. Mendoza will see that. I believe that support and acknowledgment can not be underestimated, especially when one experienced bullying.

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community
20 minutes ago

[Portion removed.]
I truly believe that schools issues can not be addressed without everything being exposed. Yes – the impartial investigation I mentioned, over and over.
There is no way to disconnect the infrastructure that enabled the lack of accountability (for example) from the rest of the culture.
Quite a while ago I came to conclusion that the editing here actually harm the chances of exposing issues that are crucial for all the students. At some point I decided to voice my opinion in a place where I can not be “deleted”. Thus my blog. I elaborated about the the letter above in my blog – Web Link
[Portion removed.]

I posted the letter above here since I wanted to try to make sure that Ms. Mendoza will see that. I believe that support and acknowledgment can not be underestimated, especially when one experienced bullying.

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Thread titled:” Private giving to public schools widens the gap between rich and poor.”

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2013/09/05/private-giving-to-public-schools-widens-the-gap-between-rich-and-poor

Before:

Santa Clara Prof. posted twice (I noticed). The first post  disappeared completely. I must admit that I could not understand the reason for removing the first comment without a trace that it was ever posted.

The second comment, in response to the fact that the  first comment disappeared, was:

Posted by Santa Clara prof, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, 11 minutes ago

Does the editor have a hidden anti-feminist agenda? Surprising.

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After:

Santa Clara Prof can be found only once now (10/31/2013):

Posted by Santa Clara Prof, a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 8, 2013 at 10:42 am

[Post removed.]

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Thread Titled: Family files claim against school district

Link:http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2013/07/09/family-files-claim-against-school-district-

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Posted by village fool, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago

@editor -

1.- “D lamp” was reminded, above, of a political ordeal and provided a link. I can not recall the exact link, providing another one – here -Web Link

2.- “how odd” posted one word – Why?

3.- I responded suggesting the possibility of recalling controversial politics practices.

4. – This whole dialog was removed. “how odd”‘s posting- why? was removed completely, no trace.

5.- I do not know what Erlichman posted – I may be able to guess.

6.- I must admit that I can not grasp the consideration of removing. It seems to me that the considerations manifested recently reflect the atmosphere the majority is trying to impose on those who do not conform.

After:

Post gone. (I edited, above Erlichman – in my post it was another name, mistakenly, which i corrected in a following post which was removed as well).

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Thread Titled:  @recent and frequent commentators – will you kindly share why you stop posting when threads become available only to those who are logged in?

Link: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/index.php?i=3&d=1&t=21058

Before:

Posted by nice haircut, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, 20 minutes ago

The Weekly has a definite, explicit perspective taken in editorials both on the substantive issues and on the appropriate procedural ways to pursue them. Edits are often made to posts not when they violate any terms of service (i.e., not disrespectful, not profane, not quoting anyone, etc) but when they argue points that the Weekly may agree with in principle but thinks that they exceed the bounds of what the public will find acceptable. For example, the Weekly persistently deleted all posts referring to the fact that the gym donor is an anti-gay bigot who was one of the largest donors in the county to Prop 8. People are very grateful for the Paly gym and the topic was adjudged to be I think not one that the Weekly wanted to be seen to be allowing to get much play. If Mr. Peery was to withdraw his funding as a result of being called a bigot in the Weekly, the Weekly didn’t want to be blamed for that loss of $20 million dollars. And so every comment comparing accepting $20 million dollars from a committed anti-gay bigot to accepting $20 million from an avowed anti-Semite or an avowed white supremacist was deleted. This even happened after a gay Paly student posted. That thread was locked, comments decrying bigotry were deleted, and the topic went away. There was never a public discussion of whether or not the school district ought to accept $20 million from someone with such views. And then of course the same donor gave to a playground for disabled children, was publicly sainted, and that was the end of any conversation. But this is the same Weekly publisher who withdrew his endorsement from a judicial candidate for giving a far far far smaller amount of money $500 — to Prop,. 8 for having values inconsistent with a public role. So when it is $20 million, we have evidently crossed the threshold into “shhhhh.” Another, similar example is the refusal of the Weekly to allow its education reporter to be criticized in the forums even though her coverage is usually not very good or fair to either the district or its critics. There is little in the way of fact checking or real reporting, stories often require corrections which are made quietly rather than publicly. Critique is not allowed, although that seems like the minimum expected of what is essentially an electronic “letters to the editor.” Criticism of the board that becomes harsh is also deleted, even though they are public figures and elected officials and even though quite a bit harsher criticism of the City Council is permitted. The custom in Palo Alto is to treat the school board as girls and the City Council as boys — the critique is gendered. Criticism of the board must be quite a bit more genteel than of the Council which is more rough and tumble. Another example is the fear exhibited by the paper of any accurate reporting of the role of Mandy Lowell Munger in the last board election which was quite important and not reported at all. This entire post will be deleted shortly so I hope you see it quickly. It will be disappeared including the fact that it ever happened. This is an example of that phenomenon.

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Posted by nice haircut, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jun 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm

The Weekly has a definite, explicit perspective taken in editorials both on the substantive issues and on the appropriate procedural ways to pursue them. Edits are often made to posts not when they violate any terms of service (i.e., not disrespectful, not profane, not quoting anyone, etc) but when they argue points that the Weekly may agree with in principle but thinks that they exceed the bounds of what the public will find acceptable. For example, the Weekly persistently deleted all posts referring to the fact that the gym donor is an [portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff] who was one of the largest donors in the county to Prop 8. People are very grateful for the Paly gym and the topic was adjudged to be I think not one that the Weekly wanted to be seen to be allowing to get much play. If Mr. Peery was to withdraw his funding as a result of being called a [portion removed] in the Weekly, the Weekly didn’t want to be blamed for that loss of $20 million dollars. [Portion removed.] This even happened after a gay Paly student posted. There was never a public discussion of whether or not the school district ought to accept $20 million from someone with such views. And then of course the same donor gave to a playground for disabled children, was publicly sainted, and that was the end of any conversation. But this is the same Weekly publisher who withdrew his endorsement from a judicial candidate for giving a far far far smaller amount of money $500 — to Prop,. 8 for having values inconsistent with a public role. So when it is $20 million, we have evidently crossed the threshold into “shhhhh.” [Portion removed.] Criticism of the board that becomes harsh is also deleted, even though they are public figures and elected officials and even though quite a bit harsher criticism of the City Council is permitted. The custom in Palo Alto is to treat the school board as girls and the City Council as boys — the critique is gendered. Criticism of the board must be quite a bit more genteel than of the Council which is more rough and tumble. Another example is the fear exhibited by the paper of any accurate reporting of the role of Mandy Lowell Munger in the last board election which was quite important and not reported at all. This entire post will be deleted shortly so I hope you see it quickly. It will be disappeared including the fact that it ever happened. This is an example of that phenomenon.

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